[HamWAN PSDR] The 3rd time is not charmed [was: 8dB drop/rise!]

Bart Kus me at bartk.us
Mon Jul 21 13:14:20 PDT 2014


Are you sure that's graphing link speed?  How did it dip below 6Mbit?  
(MHz y-axis label?)  The modems cannot operate slower than that in 
only-n mode.

--Bart


On 07/21/2014 01:08 PM, Dean Gibson AE7Q wrote:
> The displayed link speed was also dropping.  See 
> http://www.ae7q.com/misc/media/5.9GHz/2014-07-xx_Data.png
>
> On 2014-07-21 11:24, Bart Kus wrote:
>> Have you looked at the possibility that your modem is negotiating a 
>> higher link speed over time and that's the cause for the gradual 
>> signal level loss?  When you reboot these things and they aren't 
>> pressed to move data, they opt for the slowest (and highest power) 
>> modulation.  As data comes in for them to move, if they build up 
>> queues, they try higher order modulations, which make use of 
>> amplitude modulation, and reduce the average power level.
>>
>> It is possible to instruct the modem to only support a subset of 
>> speeds.  For example, the slowest speed only (6Mbit):
>>
>> [eo at AE7SJ/Monroe-Paine] /interface wireless> set 0 supported-rates-a/g=
>> 12Mbps  18Mbps  24Mbps  36Mbps  48Mbps  54Mbps  6Mbps  9Mbps
>>
>> I don't think upgrading or downgrading firmware has anything to do 
>> with RSSI readings as they're read directly from the Atheros chip and 
>> not computed in firmware.
>>
>> The real test of the health of your connection would be if it 
>> consistently supports the same ballpark speed range (bits/sec 
>> actually moved) or if it is indeed dropping due to this 8dB RSSI 
>> delta you're seeing.  If the modem finds itself having too many 
>> communication errors because it chose a modulation that is too fast, 
>> it'll lower its negotiated speed.
>>
>> --Bart
>>
>>
>> On 7/21/2014 10:28 AM, Dean Gibson AE7Q wrote:
>>> OK, over the last three weeks both the TX and RX signal levels have 
>>> dropped 8dB; see:
>>>
>>> http://www.ae7q.com/misc/media/5.9GHz/2014-07-xx_RX.png
>>>
>>> While this could be due to vegetation, the drop (somewhat gradual 
>>> this time) looks suspiciously like the previous two drops of 8dB 
>>> (see prior messages below).  On Friday I noticed that MicroTik had a 
>>> new firmware release, v6.17, and I upgraded to that.  That fixed an 
>>> NTP bug introduced in v6.14 but made no difference in dBm levels, so 
>>> Sunday evening I downgraded to v6.13.  That downgrade/reboot was 
>>> successful, but also made no difference.  So, I did a second reboot 
>>> in preparation for upgrading back to v6.17 (using the same scenario 
>>> as below).
>>>
>>> This time, however, "presto!" (the results below) does not quite 
>>> apply.  The 5SHPn shows a power-on LED, and when connected to a 
>>> switch, shows an electrical network LED. However, *the 5SHPn is 
>>> inaccessible via Ethernet* (using Winbox to access via both by last 
>>> IP address, and by MAC address).  PINGs fail;  there is no 
>>> corresponding entry in the ARP table.  I can hold in the reset 
>>> button while power-cycling the 5SHPn, and I get the flashing power 
>>> LED indicating a "reset configuration" is happening, but to no 
>>> avail:  Winbox is unable to connect to the 5SHPn.
>>>
>>> *This is the third time I've had this 8dB drop*, and the second time 
>>> I've had to go to the roof to reset the radio. So, I've removed the 
>>> antenna from the roof.  So, unless someone has a bright idea, the 
>>> 5SHPn and the 31dBi dish antenna are available for $120 total.  I'd 
>>> like to sell them as a unit, because I've got a really nice (but 
>>> easily removable) taped seal of the antenna/radio connection.  If 
>>> you can't get the radio to work, you're only out $20.
>>>
>>> -- Dean
>>> 425-338-4276 (home)
>>> 425-359-4276 (cell)
>>>
>>> On 2014-06-13 18:29, Dean Gibson AE7Q wrote:
>>>> Going back to v6.13 didn't improve anything, but it did seem to get 
>>>> rid of the occasional variations in voltage (from 13.5v down to 
>>>> 12.8v) that SNMP was reporting to "The Dude" software.  So, after 
>>>> letting v6.13 run for couple hours with no improvement, I 
>>>> reinstalled v6.15.
>>>>
>>>> Presto!  Instant dBm improvement back to my normally observed 
>>>> values.  Here are links to SNMP graphs of the drop @9:30am, and the 
>>>> rise at 17:48pm.  Of course, you can also see this in Nigel's Cacti 
>>>> reporting, albeit with less horizontal (time) resolution.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ae7q.com/misc/media/5.9GHz/2014-06-13_0940.png
>>>> http://www.ae7q.com/misc/media/5.9GHz/2014-06-13_1740.png
>>>>
>>>> Note that the reported sudden dBm "rise" to -60dBm (the upper limit 
>>>> I've imposed to keep the graph scale reasonable) on two occasions 
>>>> in the second graph, is when I upgraded and then reconfigured the 
>>>> radio (from a cut-&-paste script), and should be ignored.
>>>>
>>>> Note that a very similar scenario occurred several months ago, when 
>>>> I upgraded from v6.10 to v6.12.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, today is Friday the 13th.  Maybe Jason is responsible.
>>>>
>>>> -- Dean
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-06-13 12:28, Dean Gibson AE7Q wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2014-06-13 12:13, Cory (NQ1E) wrote:
>>>>>> Did it rain on those trees you're pointing at around then? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Dean Gibson AE7Q 
>>>>>> <hamwan at ae7q.com <mailto:hamwan at ae7q.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     This morning (well after the update to v6.15 last night) just
>>>>>>     after 9:30am, I saw a 8dB drop in both TX and RX signal
>>>>>>     levels, which persist at this time.  I did a "reset
>>>>>>     configuration", which did not solve the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Did anyone do a change at Paine sector 2 around 9:30am?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been raining gently all morning.  Last night it rained a bit 
>>>>> harder, and I saw no significant or unusual variation.  I'm going 
>>>>> back to v6.13 to see if that changes anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> The drop was very sudden.  I have that antenna connection very 
>>>>> well sealed, I thought, and the Ethernet cable runs uphill to get 
>>>>> into the eaves.  I did a cursory visual check of that this morning.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-05-04 13:00, Dean Gibson AE7Q wrote:
>>>> OK, everything is back working, and I have my dBm back!!
>>>>
>>>> Not a comedy of errors, but two factors intertwined to create this 
>>>> problem:
>>>>
>>>>  1. Since configuring the radio after a configuration reset
>>>>     requires the use of WinBox (until you get IP addresses set up),
>>>>     I moved the network connection from the radio to its normal
>>>>     router on the DMZ, and connected it to a router on my LAN via
>>>>     an extension Ethernet cable and a "dual-RJ-45-jack adapter". 
>>>>     The port light on the router associated with the radio
>>>>     connection was off.  This morning when I went to disconnect the
>>>>     cables, I saw the port light on the router flash momentarily. 
>>>>     Junked the dual-RJ-45 adapter and used another one (I had
>>>>     previously tried a different cable), and I had WinBox access to
>>>>     the radio!  Everything worked except for the LEDs ...
>>>>  2. *After much more screwing around*, I found out that for version
>>>>     6.12,*the LEDs are not configured by default* !!!  Remember, I
>>>>     had done a "reset-configuration" ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, for others that update to v6.12, here are the relevant lines in 
>>>> the setup:
>>>>
>>>> */system leds add type=interface-status interface=ether1-local 
>>>> leds=user-led
>>>> /system leds add type=wireless-signal-strength 
>>>> interface=wlan1-gateway leds=led1,led2,led3,led4,led5*
>>>>
>>>> Now that I know I can configure the LEDs with other options, I'll 
>>>> try some.
>>>>
>>>> I have no clue as to why my dBm dropped, and why I now have my 
>>>> prior values back ...
>>>>
>>>> -- Dean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces at hamwan.org
>>>>     <mailto:psdr-bounces at hamwan.org>] On Behalf Of Dean Gibson AE7Q
>>>>     Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:44 AM
>>>>     To: Puget Sound Data Ring
>>>>     Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Metal 5SHPn firmware 6.12 is current
>>>>     (addendum)
>>>>
>>>>     Well, this did not end well.  ... I decided to reset the
>>>>     configuration (using the command line) ... it appears to have
>>>>     "bricked" the radio.
>>>>
>>>>     It draws about 160ma (about the value from a week ago, when I
>>>>     first measured it).  There is no light on the side of the unit,
>>>>     and the Ethernet port is dead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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