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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This really should get fixed. Here are
a couple traces from Seattle-ER1 to 44.0.0.1:<br>
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<tt>[eo@Seattle-ER1] > /tool traceroute address=44.0.0.1
src-address=209.189.196.68</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST
AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV
STATUS </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 1 209.189.196.65 0% 10 1.9ms
0.8 0.4 1.9
0.5 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 2 209.189.202.195 0% 10 0.7ms
73.1 0.4 261
108.6 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 3 206.81.80.99 0% 10 0.7ms
5.1 0.5 10.7
3.9 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 4 69.28.171.145 0% 10 28ms
26.6 20 38.1
5.2 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 5 69.28.171.210 0% 10 22.8ms
21.4 18.6 31.9
3.9 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 6 198.32.176.33 0% 10 21.6ms
19.5 19.1 21.6
0.7 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 7 137.164.47.19 0% 10 21.4ms
24.1 21.4 29
2 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 8 137.164.46.67 0% 10 25.1ms
25.1 23.6 27.1
0.9 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 9 137.164.46.244 0% 10 34.7ms
33.5 32.4 35.6
1.2 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>10 137.164.47.15 0% 10 39.4ms
39.7 39.3 41.5
0.6 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>11 137.164.23.54 0% 10 39.7ms
40.2 39.5 43.2
1 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>12 132.239.254.163 0% 10 40.5ms
41.5 39.7 49.1
2.7 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>13 132.239.255.131 0% 10 39.6ms
40.2 39.6 43.1
1 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>14 44.0.0.1 10% 10 39.7ms
39.9 39.6 40.5
0.3 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>[eo@Seattle-ER1] > /tool traceroute address=44.0.0.1
src-address=44.24.242.22 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST
AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV
STATUS </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 1 209.189.196.65 0% 5 0.7ms
1.3 0.5 2.5
0.7 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 2 209.189.201.195 0% 5 3.5ms
1.5 0.5 3.5
1.2 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 3 206.81.80.99 0% 4 0.4ms
4.1 0.4 8.1
3.5 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 4 69.28.171.145 0% 4 25.7ms
24.7 19.6 29.6
3.6 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 5 69.28.171.210 0% 4 34.7ms
25.3 21.5 34.7
5.5 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 6 198.32.176.33 0% 4 19.5ms
20.4 19.3 23.2
1.6 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 7 137.164.47.19 0% 4 23.7ms
23.6 21.9 25.4
1.3 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 8 137.164.46.1 0% 4 24.4ms
26.3 24.4 27.5
1.2 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> 9 137.164.46.248 0% 4 36.1ms
33.8 32.1 36.1
1.5 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>10 137.164.47.111 0% 4 42.9ms
40.3 39.1 42.9
1.6 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>11 137.164.23.54 0% 4 41.2ms
45.8 39.8 61.6
9.1 </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>12 100% 4
timeout
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>13 100% 4
timeout
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>14 100% 4
timeout
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>15 100% 4
timeout
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>16 100% 4
timeout
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><br>
The only difference is the source address being used.<br>
<br>
--Bart<br>
<br>
<br>
On 04/09/2014 02:32 PM, Tom Hayward wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAFXO5Z3_Q9SH2P+3AtZeCWNavzi6QJ7RuKx81Bzcj_vEgfJ11w@mail.gmail.com"
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<pre wrap="">44.0.0.1 is a weird case. That is the AMPR gateway, used by AMPR nodes
that don't have direct internet routing as HamWAN does. There's really
no case where you should need to contact that router. For Internet
stuff, you have a direct path; for 44net, HamWAN has tunnels to each
AMPR node.
A dumb static route at UCSD (the hop before 44.0.0.1) is set to
forward 44.0.0.0/8 back to 44.0.0.1. This router is dumb and doesn't
realize there's a more specific path to HamWAN. This means packets
from 44.0.0.1 have no way to get back to 44.24.240/20. As I mentioned,
the rest of 44net has tunnels to HamWAN, so this dumb router is out of
the picture.
Tom KD7LXL
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Dean Gibson AE7Q <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hamwan@ae7q.com"><hamwan@ae7q.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Via my external host (directly on the Internet):
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<pre wrap="">ping ampr.org
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<pre wrap="">PING ampr.org (44.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ampr.org (44.0.0.1): icmp_seq=0 ttl=45 time=93.5 ms
Through the HamWAN radio:
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<pre wrap="">ping ampr.org
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<pre wrap="">PING ampr.org (44.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
>From 44.24.240.135 icmp_seq=0 Destination Host Unreachable
A routing loop???:
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<pre wrap="">traceroute ampr.org
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<pre wrap="">traceroute to ampr.org (44.0.0.1), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 5shpn-1_ext (192.168.3.251) 0.411 ms 0.237 ms 0.228 ms
2 44.24.240.161 (44.24.240.161) 127.458 ms 23.392 ms 74.152 ms
3 44.24.240.136 (44.24.240.136) 55.588 ms 28.191 ms 4.444 ms
4 44.24.242.7 (44.24.242.7) 131.127 ms 434.037 ms 1232.351 ms
5 44.24.242.16 (44.24.242.16) 74.558 ms 347.674 ms 517.633 ms
6 gi1-0-149-sea1.threshinc.com (209.189.196.65) 775.778 ms 380.374 ms
529.840 ms
7 ge0-1-thbr03.threshinc.net (209.189.201.195) 338.481 ms 264.768 ms
277.434 ms
8 tge2-2.fr3.sea2.llnw.net (206.81.80.99) 368.613 ms 253.695 ms 502.565
ms
9 tge2-2.fr3.sjc.llnw.net (69.28.171.145) 1324.350 ms 1615.159 ms
139.687 ms
10 ve5.fr4.sjc.llnw.net (69.28.171.210) 165.213 ms 299.371 ms 167.546 ms
11 paix-px1--limelight-10ge.cenic.net (198.32.251.193) 197.806 ms
3515.491 ms calren-cenic.paix.net (198.32.176.33) 204.395 ms
12 dc-svl-px1--paix-px1-ge.cenic.net (137.164.47.173) 247.990 ms 358.917
ms *
13 * * *
14 * dc-lax-core2--svl-core1-10ge.cenic.net (137.164.47.24) 433.794 ms
227.051 ms
15 dc-lax-core1--lax-core2-10ge-4.cenic.net (137.164.46.68) 289.399 ms
266.228 ms 303.996 ms
16 dc-riv-core1--lax-core1-10ge-4.cenic.net (137.164.46.103) 287.258 ms
299.758 ms 301.851 ms
17 dc-sdg-agg1--riv-core1-10ge-2.cenic.net (137.164.47.15) 572.338 ms
391.259 ms 148.496 ms
18 dc-ucsd-1--sdg-agg1.cenic.net (137.164.23.54) 453.700 ms 149.203 ms
375.147 ms
19 * * *
20 * * *
21 dc-sdg-agg1--riv-core1-10ge-2.cenic.net (137.164.47.15) 448.335 ms
385.200 ms 486.918 ms
22 dc-ucsd-1--sdg-agg1.cenic.net (137.164.23.54) 204.232 ms * 249.699 ms
23 * * *
24 * * *
25 * * *
26 * * *
27 * * *
28 * * *
29 * * *
30 * * *
Probably not a HamWAN problem ... just commenting.
-- Dean
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