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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's super weird.  You might wanna
      try moving the mount up/down the mast while keeping the dish
      level.  And yes, microwaves can be mysterious until you get
      experience with them.  That's one big advantage of doing a project
      like this, it gives hams motivation to learn how to deal with 6GHz
      and such.<br>
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      --Bart<br>
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      On 5/22/2014 1:03 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:<br>
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          <span style="font-family:arial">>Would you like some tower
            climbing / install help?  That's some crazy uptilt on the
            antenna picture you showed!</span><br>
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            Thank you for the offer, but I think it can wait until I'm
            healed. This was 'minor' knee surgery and I should be back
            to working out in six weeks, so I'm sure climbing the tower
            will be doable by then. We are at the very beginning of
            tower climbing season.... </div>
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            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
            crazy uptilt required was the source of most of my
            headaches. From that exact location, I will hear nothing
            with the antenna at the normal 'level' mount point. You need
            to tilt it up about five degrees or more before CP will
            register.  It never occurred to me that it would have that
            big of impact.  Microwaves are weird....</div>
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            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks<br>
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            Kenny</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:54 PM,
            Bart Kus <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:me@bartk.us" target="_blank">me@bartk.us</a>></span>
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                <div>Dean,<br>
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                  I wouldn't limit your potential upside to 3dB with ...
                  "spatial modulation".  :)  The vast majority of your
                  path loss is NOT due to distance.  If you did achieve
                  clear (or better) LoS, you could be looking at 30dB
                  deltas.  Remember we've had Baldi-Tacoma (a far longer
                  distance than yours) run at -57dBm during a signal
                  survey.  K7JMM, across the Puget Sound (about 3x your
                  distance) is running at -58dBm right now.<br>
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                  Kenny,<br>
                  <br>
                  Would you like some tower climbing / install help? 
                  That's some crazy uptilt on the antenna picture you
                  showed!<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
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                      --Bart</font></span>
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                      On 5/21/2014 9:27 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:<br>
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                          I'm slightly less mad at you, but still a
                          little peeved. :-)  </div>
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                          The shot to Capital Park from my house goes
                          through quite a few tree's in my immediate
                          area. (All within a couple blocks from me)
                           When I originally installed the tower about
                          10 years ago, I was able to see downtown from
                          the top of it. Now I can't, due to the trees
                          of the neighbor directly behind me and his
                          neighbor.  </div>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">That

                          said, I don't actually have the HamWAN antenna
                          mounted on the tower yet. I had to postpone
                          that installation until my knee heals up. (Had
                          the meniscus repaired in my left knee last
                          week)  Right now the antenna is mounted to a
                          small mast at the apex of the roof. (It is
                          sharing the mast with a VHF/UHF vertical)  </div>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
                          thought that I'd posted links to these
                          pictures before, but I guess not. </div>
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                          of current installation:  <a
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                            href="http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_HamWAN.JPG"
                            target="_blank">http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_HamWAN.JPG</a></div>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Picture

                          of what I'm shooting through to get to Capital
                          Park: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_CPView.JPG"
                            target="_blank">http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_CPView.JPG</a></div>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">And

                          just because it makes me laugh, the
                          installation from the first night it started
                          working: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.ku7m.net/drop/DeckAntennaMount.jpg"
                            target="_blank">http://www.ku7m.net/drop/DeckAntennaMount.jpg</a></div>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">The

                          difference in signal strength from the antenna
                          being on the deck railing to its current
                          location is ~5 dB. The height difference
                          between the to location is about eight to ten
                          feet. When moving the antenna to the roof the
                          first time, I had originally installed it on a
                          mast located at the far east side of the roof.
                          In this spot I could not hear CP at all. By
                          moving the antenna to the mast located in the
                          center of the house (which is about 20-25 feet
                          west), the signal appeared and has so far been
                          the best location.  I ordered another mast
                          mounting kit for the eve located at the far
                          west side of the house. When I'm feeling
                          better I'll install it and see if the signal
                          improves again when moving west. </div>
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                          don't have many data points on the impact of
                          wind on the signal strength. I did check it on
                          Sunday when a system blew through which was
                          causing the trees to noticeable move. But I
                          wasn't seeing much change in the signal
                          strength. (maybe 1 db?)  </div>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks</div>
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                          Kenny</div>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at
                          7:44 PM, Dean Gibson AE7Q <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              of all, Kenny:  welcome!  Now that you
                              have a HamWAN connection, I hope you are
                              no longer mad at me.  Where is your
                              antenna (inside/outside, height above
                              ground, etc)?<br>
                              <br>
                              On a related but more serious side, do you
                              have a direct line-of-sight path to
                              Capitol Hill, or do you go through trees? 
                              The reason I ask is, my path goes through
                              some trees.  When it is windy, that causes
                              my RX signal level (dBm value) to vary
                              about 5 dB (mostly down).  I have wondered
                              whether mounting my antenna higher would
                              help my overall value (of course it would
                              help when it is windy).<br>
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                              My average RX signal level is 80 dBm (no
                              winds), and yours appears to be 83 dBm. 
                              However, you are twice as far from your
                              cell site as I am from mine, and since
                              power falls off as the square of the
                              distance, I'd expect (in similar
                              configurations and siting) that you would
                              experience a 6 dB difference.  Since the
                              difference is only 3 dB, that suggests
                              that (all things being equal, which they
                              never are) I might gain <b>at most</b> 3
                              dB by moving the antenna.<br>
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