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    It may be "super weird", but I'm seeing the same thing.  My antenna
    is at 450';  the Paine antenna is at 750', and the distance between
    the two is almost exactly 26400'.  That's a rise of 300' in 26400',
    and the arc-sine of that ratio (0.0113636) is .65 degrees.  However,
    for optimum results, I have my antenna also aimed about 5 degrees
    above the horizon.  I don't remember the exact results when I aim at
    less than one degree, but it's significantly less.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-05-22 13:28, Bart Kus wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's super weird.  You might wanna
        try moving the mount up/down the mast while keeping the dish
        level.  And yes, microwaves can be mysterious until you get
        experience with them.  That's one big advantage of doing a
        project like this, it gives hams motivation to learn how to deal
        with 6GHz and such.<br>
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        --Bart<br>
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        On 5/22/2014 1:03 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:<br>
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            <span style="font-family:arial">>Would you like some
              tower climbing / install help?  That's some crazy uptilt
              on the antenna picture you showed!</span><br>
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              Thank you for the offer, but I think it can wait until I'm
              healed. This was 'minor' knee surgery and I should be back
              to working out in six weeks, so I'm sure climbing the
              tower will be doable by then. We are at the very beginning
              of tower climbing season.... </div>
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              style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">The

              crazy uptilt required was the source of most of my
              headaches. From that exact location, I will hear nothing
              with the antenna at the normal 'level' mount point. You
              need to tilt it up about five degrees or more before CP
              will register.  It never occurred to me that it would have
              that big of impact.  Microwaves are weird....</div>
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              style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks<br>
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              Kenny</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 11:54 PM,
              Bart Kus <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:me@bartk.us" target="_blank">me@bartk.us</a>></span>
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                  <div>Dean,<br>
                    <br>
                    I wouldn't limit your potential upside to 3dB with
                    ... "spatial modulation".  :)  The vast majority of
                    your path loss is NOT due to distance.  If you did
                    achieve clear (or better) LoS, you could be looking
                    at 30dB deltas.  Remember we've had Baldi-Tacoma (a
                    far longer distance than yours) run at -57dBm during
                    a signal survey.  K7JMM, across the Puget Sound
                    (about 3x your distance) is running at -58dBm right
                    now.<br>
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                    Kenny,<br>
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                    Would you like some tower climbing / install help? 
                    That's some crazy uptilt on the antenna picture you
                    showed!<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
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                        --Bart</font></span>
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                        On 5/21/2014 9:27 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:<br>
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                            I'm slightly less mad at you, but still a
                            little peeved. :-)  </div>
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                            The shot to Capital Park from my house goes
                            through quite a few tree's in my immediate
                            area. (All within a couple blocks from me)
                             When I originally installed the tower about
                            10 years ago, I was able to see downtown
                            from the top of it. Now I can't, due to the
                            trees of the neighbor directly behind me and
                            his neighbor.  </div>
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                            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">That


                            said, I don't actually have the HamWAN
                            antenna mounted on the tower yet. I had to
                            postpone that installation until my knee
                            heals up. (Had the meniscus repaired in my
                            left knee last week)  Right now the antenna
                            is mounted to a small mast at the apex of
                            the roof. (It is sharing the mast with a
                            VHF/UHF vertical)  </div>
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                            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
                            thought that I'd posted links to these
                            pictures before, but I guess not. </div>
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                          <div
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                            of current installation:  <a
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                              href="http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_HamWAN.JPG"
                              target="_blank">http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_HamWAN.JPG</a></div>
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                          <div
                            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Picture


                            of what I'm shooting through to get to
                            Capital Park: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_CPView.JPG"
                              target="_blank">http://www.ku7m.net/drop/KU7M_CPView.JPG</a></div>
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                            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">And


                            just because it makes me laugh, the
                            installation from the first night it started
                            working: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.ku7m.net/drop/DeckAntennaMount.jpg"
                              target="_blank">http://www.ku7m.net/drop/DeckAntennaMount.jpg</a></div>
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                            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">The


                            difference in signal strength from the
                            antenna being on the deck railing to its
                            current location is ~5 dB. The height
                            difference between the to location is about
                            eight to ten feet. When moving the antenna
                            to the roof the first time, I had originally
                            installed it on a mast located at the far
                            east side of the roof. In this spot I could
                            not hear CP at all. By moving the antenna to
                            the mast located in the center of the house
                            (which is about 20-25 feet west), the signal
                            appeared and has so far been the best
                            location.  I ordered another mast mounting
                            kit for the eve located at the far west side
                            of the house. When I'm feeling better I'll
                            install it and see if the signal improves
                            again when moving west. </div>
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                            don't have many data points on the impact of
                            wind on the signal strength. I did check it
                            on Sunday when a system blew through which
                            was causing the trees to noticeable move.
                            But I wasn't seeing much change in the
                            signal strength. (maybe 1 db?)  </div>
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                            Kenny</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014
                            at 7:44 PM, Dean Gibson AE7Q <span
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                                First of all, Kenny:  welcome!  Now that
                                you have a HamWAN connection, I hope you
                                are no longer mad at me.  Where is your
                                antenna (inside/outside, height above
                                ground, etc)?<br>
                                <br>
                                On a related but more serious side, do
                                you have a direct line-of-sight path to
                                Capitol Hill, or do you go through
                                trees?  The reason I ask is, my path
                                goes through some trees.  When it is
                                windy, that causes my RX signal level
                                (dBm value) to vary about 5 dB (mostly
                                down).  I have wondered whether mounting
                                my antenna higher would help my overall
                                value (of course it would help when it
                                is windy).<br>
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                                My average RX signal level is 80 dBm (no
                                winds), and yours appears to be 83 dBm. 
                                However, you are twice as far from your
                                cell site as I am from mine, and since
                                power falls off as the square of the
                                distance, I'd expect (in similar
                                configurations and siting) that you
                                would experience a 6 dB difference. 
                                Since the difference is only 3 dB, that
                                suggests that (all things being equal,
                                which they never are) I might gain <b>at
                                  most</b> 3 dB by moving the antenna.<br>
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