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    Ah, I'd like the IP address you are PINGing.  What do you type after
    the command "ping"?<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2014-05-25 10:22, Bob wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
            router is setup as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">         
            IP: 10.136.19.168<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">         
            Sub Mask: 255.0.0.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">         
            Gateway: 10.0.0.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">         
            DNS: 10.0.0.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">         
            Alt: 10.0.0.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                PSDR [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org">mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dean
                Gibson AE7Q<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 24, 2014 9:33 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Puget Sound Data Ring<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 1.2GHz to Paine [was:
                44.x.x.x HamWAN network at Paine]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">When you
          attempt to ping using the K7LWH/DD module, what IP address do
          you specify?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 2014-05-24 14:36, Bob wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Dean,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Here are some observations and conclusion
            that I have come up with in adding the ID-1 to the Kirkland
            Emergency Communications Team’s tool box.  I have done a
            number of tests of the ID-1 from various locations in
            Kirkland in both the Digital Data (DD) mode and the Digital
            Voice (DV) mode.  I tested simplex paths (ID-1 to ID-1) and
            paths to the Lake Washington Ham Club (LWHC) DSTAR DV
            repeater and DD gateway nodes in Bellevue.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span><!--[endif]-->There
            are a few locations in Kirkland that have direct visual line
            of site to LWHC Gateway in Belleview.  From those locations,
            pings are consistently returned in 100 to 200ms with an
            occasional loss.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span><!--[endif]-->We
            have two location (Stations 22 and 25) are not visual but
            according to Radio Mobile modeling skim the terrain.  At
            these sights no ping are returned.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span><!--[endif]-->At
            my home QTH (Lat: 47.694 Lon: -122.2161) I do not have a
            visual of the LWHC Gateway, but I get occasional pings
            returned.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span><!--[endif]-->John
            Hays loan me a 1.23 GHz directional antenna. With the
            directional antenna I detected two paths to the gateway. 
            One was off a condo about 180 degrees from the gateway about
            a mile away; the other was off the NOAA building four miles
            awat at Sand Point about 15 degrees clockwise from the
            gateway.  This indicates the presents of multi-paths that
            could be interfering with the data even with good signal
            strength.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">5.<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">      </span></span><!--[endif]-->I
            will also confirm the DV mode is more robust than the DD
            mode, but it too is affect by multi-path.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">About 2 weeks ago I brought the ID-1 on
            line to serve as an alternate path to the Winlink CMS.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Bob – KE7JL<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                  PSDR [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org">mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dean Gibson AE7Q<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:20 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Puget Sound Data Ring<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [HamWAN PSDR] 1.2GHz to Paine [was:
                  44.x.x.x HamWAN network at Paine]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Scott Honaker and I have moved forward on
            this project:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
              level1 lfo5">We have installed a gateway (Linksys BEFSR41)
              between the ID-1 and the internal ARES/RACES subnet (not
              44.x.x.x) of the DEM.<o:p></o:p></li>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
              level1 lfo5">We have installed a Digi "AnywhereUSB" box to
              give us remote access to the ID-1's USB port, and thus
              remote control of the ID-1 radio.  This not only allows
              multiple use of the ID-1 (which has useful 1.2GHz FM and
              digital voice modes as well as Ethernet data), but
              provides for remote frequency agility and a diagnostic
              capability.  This works beautifully (eg, to search for and
              use a low-noise frequency)!<o:p></o:p></li>
          </ol>
          <p>Unfortunately, what does not work very well, is the RF
            portion of the connection.  PINGs failed at a rate of over
            99% when using the 1.2GHz antenna at the 70 ft level on the
            tower, so we swapped the antenna with the one used for the
            Icom 1.2GHz repeater (which wasn't seeing any action anyway)
            at 100 ft.  That made a "dramatic" improvement, as PINGs now
            only fail at a 98% rate (depends upon the time of day, etc)!<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Antenna comparison between 1.2GHz and 5.9 GHz for the two
            sites:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
              level1 lfo8">On 1.2GHz, both antennas are
              omni-directional.<o:p></o:p></li>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
              level1 lfo8">At the DEM, the 1.2GHz antenna is now at the
              100' level, whereas the 5.9GHz antenna is at 150'.<o:p></o:p></li>
            <li class="MsoNormal"
              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
              level1 lfo8">At my home, the 1.2GHz antenna is about 10'
              above the 5.9GHz antenna, and it's on the same
              line-of-sight path.<o:p></o:p></li>
          </ol>
          <p>Note that voice communication between the two sites using
            the two ID-1 radios, is fine (there is a slight bit of noise
            on FM).<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>The big difference, in my opinion?  I'll bet that the
            wireless protocol used by the MikroTik radios includes an
            aggressive error correction and retry protocol, whereas the
            ID-1 is like a piece of Ethernet cable, and thus relies on
            the standard TCP/IP retry mechanism.  The TCP/IP protocols,
            while "unreliable" in the technical sense of the term,
            require a higher overall reliability than a typical raw
            wireless connection.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>What this says (and I'm a bit surprised to note this), is
            that sites considering using ID-1 radios for data
            communications, may find that even with the tighter siting
            requirements of 5.9GHz, that the latter may be more
            successful (whether or not part of HamWAN).  In addition to
            being a lower-cost radio with a much higher data rate, the
            MikroTik radios offer a built-in router, which can obviate
            the need for a separate router.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>-- Dean<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">ps: The callsign and digital
            code filtering features of D-Star that we previously
            discussed, are not available (greyed out in the software)
            for digital <b>data</b> mode.  Huh?  Another fine example
            of software of the "seven last words" of poor program
            design: <b>"Why would you want to do that?"</b><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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