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Looks like we did $143.25 in Jan and $732.95 in Feb. There are
several non-recurring donations in Feb to help support Tukwila and
these other projects. It looks like the Jan figure is a good
estimate of recurring monthly cash flow.<br>
<br>
At some point I also need to file a claim with Microsoft to match
the donations I've been making since we're a 501c3 now. Any other
folks in a similar position should do the same.<br>
<br>
--Bart<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2015 8:48 PM, Ryan Elliott
Turner wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Before I vote, I'd like to learn more about our
cashflows to ensure that the necessary credit could be promptly
paid down. How much in donations was received last month, and
how much in donations was received in February and March of
2014? I don't want to spend more on this than we earn in a
quarter.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Nigel
Vander Houwen <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nigel@nigelvh.com" target="_blank">nigel@nigelvh.com</a>></span>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I agree with getting a
long term antenna and one that continues our sectorized
plan. YAY.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<div>Nigel</div>
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<div>On Mar 8, 2015, at 12:30, Bart Kus <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:me@bartk.us" target="_blank">me@bartk.us</a>>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I
didn't go, nor would I trust HamWAN money to
sketchy antennas.<br>
<br>
I purchased the 3 modems recently approved
(1 replacement 5GHz and the 2 900MHz modems)
and saved money by combining shipping.
There is $118.12 left in approved funds to
get a 900MHz antenna solution. Baltic is
asking for <b>$204.59 to make the OD9-8
antenna happen</b> (shipping included).
Laird's lower gain antennas also have crazy
high shipping costs, and they quickly
approach isotropic gain. I don't think it's
a good idea to spend $125 on shipping for
what was supposed to be a low cost / low
performance test antenna. Longer-term, we
would very likely employ a cross polarized
MIMO system since bandwidth @ 900MHz is very
limited and it's therefore important to
maximize bit/Hz. There is only one antenna
on the market that I'm aware of that fits
the bill: Ubiquiti AM-9M13. It's a 13dBi
120 degree dual polarity sector. I'm pretty
sure they add the dBi from H+V polarizations
to arrive at 13dBi, so it's probably 10dBi /
polarization. Still, 2dB better than the
8dBi OD9-8. This antenna is physically
smaller, so the shipping is much cheaper. <b>It
costs $278.36 shipped</b>. We'll also
need a pigtail cable to adapt from the
RP-SMA terminals on the antenna to the
N-male on the modem.<br>
<br>
Now, there are a couple advantages to going
this route:<br>
<br>
1) We can re-use this antenna if we do
deploy a 900MHz service since it's the only
one I'm aware of that fits the bill.<br>
2) The experimental phase can test both
vertical and horizontal polarity performance
independently by simply switching a cable.<br>
<br>
So here's the modification:<br>
<br>
1x Credit from removing OD9-8 = ($118.12)<br>
1x Ubiquiti AM-9M13 @ $252.00/ea = $252.00<br>
1x RP-SMA to N patch cable (1m) @ $9.95/ea =
$9.95<br>
1x NF-NF barrel adapter @ $4.25/ea = $4.25<br>
1x Shipping @ $36.60 = $36.60<br>
<br>
<b>Total additional funds requested: </b><b>$184.68</b><br>
<br>
If we don't end up doing a 900MHz service,
or it doesn't use these components, we'll
return or eBay the parts and credit the
HamWAN balance.<br>
<br>
--Bart<br>
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<div>On 3/6/2015 7:59 PM, Tom Hayward wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Try the swap meet tomorrow? </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 6, 2015
7:55 PM, "Bart Kus" <<a
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Turns out the shipping on that 8dBi
vertical is $125.<br>
<br>
I'm open to suggestions at this
point.<br>
<br>
--Bart<br>
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<div>On 3/6/2015 11:23 AM, Bart Kus
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> I just sent
you all the relevant invoices.<br>
<br>
Thanks, board! I guess I'm
placing all the orders now.<br>
<br>
--Bart<br>
<br>
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<div>On 3/6/2015 11:19 AM, Cory
(NQ1E) wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Bart,
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<div>I also vote YAY on the
contingency that you get
caught up on the paperwork.
I still don't have the
invoices on file from your
last two purchases. ;)</div>
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<div>That makes it unanimous,
so I guess the voting is
complete.</div>
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<div>-Cory</div>
<div>NQ1E</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:49
AM, Ryan Elliott Turner <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:ryan.e.t@gmail.com"
target="_blank">ryan.e.t@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks,
Bart. I vote yay.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at
12:47 PM, <a
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href="mailto:gary.k7ek@yahoo.com" target="_blank">gary.k7ek@yahoo.com</a>
<span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>I'd be
interested in
experimenting
with 900 mhz
gear at my
Spanaway
residence, and
possibly at my
Graham Hill
repeater site.
I believe 900
mhz would
provide better
overall
results than 5
Ghz, which
proved to be
marginal to
barely usable
during our
recent site
survey.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Best
regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Gary, K7EK</div>
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my Verizon
Wireless 4G
LTE Smartphone</div>
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[HamWAN PSDR]
VOTE: 900MHz
service
experiment<br>
Date: Fri, Mar
6, 2015 10:38</div>
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<pre style="word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">Hello,
5.9GHz is awesome when it works. The speeds are great, and it carries
as far as the eye can see with very low ambient noise floor. It does
however have problems when it needs to penetrate trees and buildings.
To alleviate this, I'd like HamWAN to offer a slower but deeper
penetrating 900MHz service. 900MHz is the lowest frequency ham band
without bandwidth or modulation rate restrictions. Before we deploy a
full cell site, I'd like to get some real-world experience with 900MHz
penetration, propagation and ambient noise conditions. Here's the
cheapest appropriate hardware we can use for this:
1x Vpol omni antenna @ $79.50/ea = $79.50
(<a moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.balticnetworks.com/laird-antenna-omni-8dbi-900mhz-n-female-integrated.html</a>)
2x 9HPn modem @ $108.00/ea = $216.00
(<a moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-metal-9hpn.html</a>)
1x Shipping @ $UNKNOWN (quote not showing?! Need to call them.) =
$40.00 ???
Total: $335.50
I already have a 900MHz high gain Yagi-Uda in my inventory and can use
that to do various field tests. These can be directly compared against
5.9GHz performance since the gear will be deployed to one of our
existing 5.9GHz cell sites. The results of such comparisons will give
us a good idea of how well 900MHz might do for HamWAN.
Disclaimer: These may not be the right modems or antennas for us
long-term. A real deployment might use Ubiquiti Rocket M900 with their
sector antennas. These Ubiquiti items are far more expensive though,
and their software doesn't integrate as easily into our network, so for
the purposes of the test I believe the set of hardware I proposed will
do well at deploying fast and keeping costs down.
NOTE: If both the votes are approved, I will combine shipping from
Baltic to save money.
--Bart
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