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    Vote is approved.  Placing order.<br>
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    --Bart<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2015 10:26 PM, Bart Kus wrote:<br>
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      Looks like we did $143.25 in Jan and $732.95 in Feb.  There are
      several non-recurring donations in Feb to help support Tukwila and
      these other projects.  It looks like the Jan figure is a good
      estimate of recurring monthly cash flow.<br>
      <br>
      At some point I also need to file a claim with Microsoft to match
      the donations I've been making since we're a 501c3 now.  Any other
      folks in a similar position should do the same.<br>
      <br>
      --Bart<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2015 8:48 PM, Ryan Elliott
        Turner wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Before I vote, I'd like to learn more about our
          cashflows to ensure that the necessary credit could be
          promptly paid down.  How much in donations was received last
          month, and how much in donations was received in February and
          March of 2014? I don't want to spend more on this than we earn
          in a quarter.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 10:32 PM,
            Nigel Vander Houwen <span dir="ltr"><<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nigel@nigelvh.com"
                target="_blank">nigel@nigelvh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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              <div style="word-wrap:break-word">I agree with getting a
                long term antenna and one that continues our sectorized
                plan. YAY.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Nigel</div>
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                          <div>On Mar 8, 2015, at 12:30, Bart Kus <<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            wrote:</div>
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                            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I
                              didn't go, nor would I trust HamWAN money
                              to sketchy antennas.<br>
                              <br>
                              I purchased the 3 modems recently approved
                              (1 replacement 5GHz and the 2 900MHz
                              modems) and saved money by combining
                              shipping.  There is $118.12 left in
                              approved funds to get a 900MHz antenna
                              solution.  Baltic is asking for <b>$204.59
                                to make the OD9-8 antenna happen</b>
                              (shipping included).  Laird's lower gain
                              antennas also have crazy high shipping
                              costs, and they quickly approach isotropic
                              gain.  I don't think it's a good idea to
                              spend $125 on shipping for what was
                              supposed to be a low cost / low
                              performance test antenna.  Longer-term, we
                              would very likely employ a cross polarized
                              MIMO system since bandwidth @ 900MHz is
                              very limited and it's therefore important
                              to maximize bit/Hz.  There is only one
                              antenna on the market that I'm aware of
                              that fits the bill: Ubiquiti AM-9M13. 
                              It's a 13dBi 120 degree dual polarity
                              sector.  I'm pretty sure they add the dBi
                              from H+V polarizations to arrive at 13dBi,
                              so it's probably 10dBi / polarization. 
                              Still, 2dB better than the 8dBi OD9-8. 
                              This antenna is physically smaller, so the
                              shipping is much cheaper.  <b>It costs
                                $278.36 shipped</b>.  We'll also need a
                              pigtail cable to adapt from the RP-SMA
                              terminals on the antenna to the N-male on
                              the modem.<br>
                              <br>
                              Now, there are a couple advantages to
                              going this route:<br>
                              <br>
                              1) We can re-use this antenna if we do
                              deploy a 900MHz service since it's the
                              only one I'm aware of that fits the bill.<br>
                              2) The experimental phase can test both
                              vertical and horizontal polarity
                              performance independently by simply
                              switching a cable.<br>
                              <br>
                              So here's the modification:<br>
                              <br>
                              1x Credit from removing OD9-8 = ($118.12)<br>
                              1x Ubiquiti AM-9M13 @ $252.00/ea = $252.00<br>
                              1x RP-SMA to N patch cable (1m) @ $9.95/ea
                              = $9.95<br>
                              1x NF-NF barrel adapter @ $4.25/ea = $4.25<br>
                              1x Shipping @ $36.60 = $36.60<br>
                              <br>
                              <b>Total additional funds requested: </b><b>$184.68</b><br>
                              <br>
                              If we don't end up doing a 900MHz service,
                              or it doesn't use these components, we'll
                              return or eBay the parts and credit the
                              HamWAN balance.<br>
                              <br>
                              --Bart<br>
                              <br>
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                              <br>
                              <div>On 3/6/2015 7:59 PM, Tom Hayward
                                wrote:<br>
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                                <p dir="ltr">Try the swap meet tomorrow?
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 6, 2015
                                  7:55 PM, "Bart Kus" <<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:me@bartk.us"
                                    target="_blank">me@bartk.us</a>>
                                  wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                      text="#000000"> Turns out the
                                      shipping on that 8dBi vertical is
                                      $125.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I'm open to suggestions at this
                                      point.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      --Bart<br>
                                      <br>
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                                      <div>On 3/6/2015 11:23 AM, Bart
                                        Kus wrote:<br>
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                                      <blockquote type="cite"> I just
                                        sent you all the relevant
                                        invoices.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Thanks, board!  I guess I'm
                                        placing all the orders now.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        --Bart<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div>On 3/6/2015 11:19 AM, Cory
                                          (NQ1E) wrote:<br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Bart,
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>I also vote YAY on the
                                              contingency that you get
                                              caught up on the
                                              paperwork.  I still don't
                                              have the invoices on file
                                              from your last two
                                              purchases. ;)</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>That makes it
                                              unanimous, so I guess the
                                              voting is complete.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>-Cory</div>
                                            <div>NQ1E</div>
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                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 10:49
                                              AM, Ryan Elliott Turner <span
                                                dir="ltr"><<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ryan.e.t@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryan.e.t@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">Thanks,
                                                  Bart. I vote yay.<br>
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                                                    class="gmail_quote">On

                                                    Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at
                                                    12:47 PM, <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gary.k7ek@yahoo.com" target="_blank">gary.k7ek@yahoo.com</a>
                                                    <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gary.k7ek@yahoo.com" target="_blank">gary.k7ek@yahoo.com</a>></span>
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                                                          <div>I'd be
                                                          interested in
                                                          experimenting
                                                          with 900 mhz
                                                          gear at my
                                                          Spanaway
                                                          residence, and
                                                          possibly at my
                                                          Graham Hill
                                                          repeater site.
                                                          I believe 900
                                                          mhz would
                                                          provide better
                                                          overall
                                                          results than 5
                                                          Ghz, which
                                                          proved to be
                                                          marginal to
                                                          barely usable
                                                          during our
                                                          recent site
                                                          survey.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Best
                                                          regards,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Gary,
                                                          K7EK</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          <div>Sent from
                                                          my Verizon
                                                          Wireless 4G
                                                          LTE Smartphone</div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <div>-----
                                                          Reply message
                                                          -----<br>
                                                          From: "Bart
                                                          Kus" <<a
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href="mailto:me@bartk.us" target="_blank">me@bartk.us</a>><br>
                                                          To: "Puget
                                                          Sound Data
                                                          Ring" <<a
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                                                          Subject:
                                                          [HamWAN PSDR]
                                                          VOTE: 900MHz
                                                          service
                                                          experiment<br>
                                                          Date: Fri, Mar
                                                          6, 2015 10:38</div>
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                                                          <pre style="word-wrap:break-word;white-space:pre-wrap">Hello,

5.9GHz is awesome when it works.  The speeds are great, and it carries 
as far as the eye can see with very low ambient noise floor.  It does 
however have problems when it needs to penetrate trees and buildings.  
To alleviate this, I'd like HamWAN to offer a slower but deeper 
penetrating 900MHz service.  900MHz is the lowest frequency ham band 
without bandwidth or modulation rate restrictions.  Before we deploy a 
full cell site, I'd like to get some real-world experience with 900MHz 
penetration, propagation and ambient noise conditions.  Here's the 
cheapest appropriate hardware we can use for this:

1x Vpol omni antenna @ $79.50/ea = $79.50 
(<a moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.balticnetworks.com/laird-antenna-omni-8dbi-900mhz-n-female-integrated.html</a>)
2x 9HPn modem @ $108.00/ea = $216.00 
(<a moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-metal-9hpn.html</a>)
1x Shipping @ $UNKNOWN (quote not showing?!  Need to call them.) = 
$40.00 ???

Total: $335.50

I already have a 900MHz high gain Yagi-Uda in my inventory and can use 
that to do various field tests.  These can be directly compared against 
5.9GHz performance since the gear will be deployed to one of our 
existing 5.9GHz cell sites.  The results of such comparisons will give 
us a good idea of how well 900MHz might do for HamWAN.

Disclaimer: These may not be the right modems or antennas for us 
long-term.  A real deployment might use Ubiquiti Rocket M900 with their 
sector antennas.  These Ubiquiti items are far more expensive though, 
and their software doesn't integrate as easily into our network, so for 
the purposes of the test I believe the set of hardware I proposed will 
do well at deploying fast and keeping costs down.

NOTE: If both the votes are approved, I will combine shipping from 
Baltic to save money.

--Bart

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<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a>
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PSDR mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org">PSDR@hamwan.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a>
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