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<p><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;">As a supporting member, I will vote as follows:</span><br style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;">
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<span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;"> Cory: Yay</span><br style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;">
<span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;"> Ryan: Yay</span><br style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;">
<span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;"> Bart: Yay</span><br style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;">
<span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;"> Nigel: Yay</span><br>
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<p><span style="color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size: 13.3333px;">Thanks again for your time and contribution to the hamwan .</span></p>
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1. Re: VOTE: Board Elections (allen@savenet.org)<br>
2. Re: VOTE: Board Elections (Nigel Vander Houwen)<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 20:45:33 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: allen@savenet.org<br>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org><br>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Board Elections<br>
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I think we've got a pretty solid team at the helm, let's keep this good thing going. My votes:<br>
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Cory: yay<br>
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Ryan: yay<br>
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Bart: yay<br>
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Nigel: yay<br>
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~ Allen<br>
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From: Nigel Vander Houwen<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 21:59<br>
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Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Board Elections<br>
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To: Puget Sound Data Ring<br>
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As a supporting member, I will vote as follows:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Cory: Yay<br>
<br>
<br>
Ryan: Yay<br>
<br>
<br>
Bart: Yay<br>
<br>
<br>
Nigel: Yay<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
<br>
Nigel<br>
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On Feb 22, 2017, at 20:58, Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hello Everyone,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
It’s been a year since our current board members were approved, so it’s time to revisit!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As a quick recap for folks that haven’t been around, or need a reminder:<br>
<br>
<br>
Board member positions last for one year.Any supporting member is eligible to vote for board members.Any supporting member is eligible to run for a position on the board.There is no limit on the number of board members, so if you want to run and participate,
you’re not taking a spot away from anyone else.There is a minimum number of 3 board members.Supporting members are those who have contributed at the Basic level ($20/mo) (or more) for the last 12 months.Voting is open for 7 days.Each board member is a separate
“election”, IE you don’t have to choose one person to vote for, you choose Yay or Nay for all individuals.Please respond to the list with your votes, the list serves as our public records.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Our current list of supporting members is as follows (the folks who are eligible to vote):<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Robert Salsgiver<br>
<br>
<br>
Benjamin Krueger<br>
<br>
<br>
Nigel Vander Houwen<br>
<br>
<br>
Ryan Turner<br>
<br>
<br>
Bartlomiej Kus<br>
<br>
<br>
Daniel Ransom<br>
<br>
<br>
Allen Johnson<br>
<br>
<br>
Clifton Gurlen<br>
<br>
<br>
Ian Finder<br>
<br>
<br>
Ryan Spott<br>
<br>
<br>
Mike Shirley<br>
<br>
<br>
Terence Chan<br>
<br>
<br>
Tim Osburn<br>
<br>
<br>
Cory Johnson<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In addition, we have a few folks that have made one time donations, or haven’t been on a recurring donation long enough to be a supporting member.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Jim Hudspeth<br>
<br>
<br>
Francis Haugen<br>
<br>
<br>
David Yost<br>
<br>
<br>
Nick Austin<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I’d like to thank all of the above folks for supporting HamWAN and our ability to purchase gear to expand the network and provide services to users. We’ve been very fortunate in our ability to keep overhead low, so we can put as much as possible into things
that directly improve the network.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We’ve seen the last year bring a pile of great progress:<br>
<br>
<br>
A number of new Open Peering Policy users have joined us, using our network infrastructure to announce their 44-net networks to the internet.Capitol Peak was approved and brought online.Additional hardware for Gold was approved and brought online.We added a
high resolution PTZ camera at our Baldi site with generous donations specifically for the camera.Rob has done some fantastic work bringing some hospitals online.We worked with our friends in Victoria BC to bring the Triangle site onlineWe underwent a routine
IRS audit that found no problems, and I’d really love to thank Cory for his efforts on this, and hope for his continued involvement on the board.We rebuilt the HamWAN.org website from scratch, Bart and Tom put a huge amount of effort into this. Thanks guys!Our
sister networks in Memphis and Tampa have both grown.We purchased our own ASN to improve our ability to help our sister networks get online via BGP, and released the borrowed one we had been using back to Threshold Communications, which had been generously
letting us use it. They continue to support our Westin edge router, which we appreciate greatly.We purchased a number of locking equipment racks to help us install our gear securely at sites.We’ve purchased extra batteries to extend the runtime in case of
a power outage at Baldi (yet to be installed).We’ve purchased and replaced a few failing modems over the year as well.We’ve had some repeaters get connected this year, and we’ve recently added an on-network DMR C-Bridge to support their efforts.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As you can see, there’s a lot of forward progress over the last year, and there’s no end in sight.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Which brings me to the bit about actually electing board members. For the last year, Bart Kus, Cory Johnson, Ryan Turner, and myself have acted as the board for HamWAN. I’ve confirmed with each of them that they’re willing to serve again this year if elected,
so we’ll combine the votes for all four in one email thread.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Cory Johnson - Cory has graciously handled HamWAN’s financial and legal filings and reports. I’m incredibly grateful for his efforts in general, and especially this year after completing our IRS audit. Thank you Cory!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Ryan Turner - Ryan heads our sister network in Memphis, and has put a lot of effort into our automation, and outreach. Thank you Ryan!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Bart Kus - Bart continues to put enormous effort into the physical aspects of the network, acquiring new sites, installing and maintaining them, as well as some software projects, as well as acting as an administrator for the Puget Sound network day to day.
Thank you Bart!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nigel Vander Houwen - (me) I handle much of our contract work, and record keeping around technical aspects like LoAs, I serve as a day to day network administrator, and have helped deploy and maintain some of the on-network services, occasionally I manage to
make a site visit with Bart to get things done, and I handle things like the email you’re reading now.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Voting is open for Cory, Ryan, Bart, and myself for 7 days, after which the final results will be decided by the majority of votes cast.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
If any of the supporting members from above would like to participate on the board, please announce your intention on this list, and your 7 day voting period will end 7 days after your announcement. Duties are not time intensive, and mostly consist of being
available for occasional calls to approve expenses, and assisting HamWAN in whichever other ways your time and/or skills/knowledge allow.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you all for reading this rather long email, and hope to serve for another great year with HamWAN.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nigel Vander Houwen<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 12:46:30 -0800<br>
From: Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com><br>
To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org><br>
Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Board Elections<br>
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Subhro,<br>
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I figured it was a joke, but I used the opportunity to clarify the info for the list as a whole.<br>
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Supporting members are defined as those who contribute at the Basic level ($20/mo) over a 6 month period as defined in Article I of our Constitution.
<a href="http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html">http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html</a> <<a href="http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html">http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html</a>> The PayPal link is at the
top of our home page.<br>
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By participating on this list, you’re already a general member, and all input/participation is appreciated. There is no obligation to donate to participate or make use of the network, but donations are appreciated and help us expand.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Nigel<br>
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> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:39, Subhro Kar <subhro@80386.org> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> <br>
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:29 PM, Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com <<a href="mailto:nigel@nigelvh.com">mailto:nigel@nigelvh.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Hello Subhro,<br>
>> <br>
>> Just as the people running for president are allowed to vote for themselves, Bart is a supporting member, and is able to cast his vote in all elections including his own.<br>
> <br>
> Oh, I was just giving him a hard time. Bart is someone I know outside of HamWan as well. But I think it was a bit inappropriate to do that on the list. I am sorry about that.<br>
>> <br>
>> Additionally, I appreciate your vote of confidence Subhro, but your name isn’t in the list of Supporting Members that Cory provided me, so I won’t be able to include your vote in the final tally. I do want to thank you for your participation though!<br>
> <br>
> Sure. How do I get into this list?<br>
> <br>
> Thanks<br>
> Subhro<br>
> <br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Nigel<br>
>> <br>
>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:16, Subhro Kar <subhro@80386.org> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Are you allowed to self vote Bart? :-P I would not have voted otherwise though.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Corey, Ryan, Bart and Nigel: All YAY. Dont fix something that is not broken.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Subhro<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Bart Kus <me@bartk.us> wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> My votes are:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Cory: Yay<br>
>>>> Ryan: Yay<br>
>>>> Bart: Yay<br>
>>>> Nigel: Yay<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> --Bart<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On 2/23/2017 8:43 AM, Cliff Gurlen wrote:<br>
>>>>> I vote as follows:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Cory: Yay<br>
>>>>> Ryan: Yay<br>
>>>>> Bart: Yay<br>
>>>>> Nigel: Yay<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Apologies, minor correction: Supporting members are those who have<br>
>>>>>> contributed at the Basic level for *6* months, not 12. The list remains the<br>
>>>>>> same, as Cory gathered it using the proper criteria. Thanks Cory!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Thanks!<br>
>>>>>> Nigel<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 20:59, Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> As a supporting member, I will vote as follows:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Cory: Yay<br>
>>>>>> Ryan: Yay<br>
>>>>>> Bart: Yay<br>
>>>>>> Nigel: Yay<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>> Nigel<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 20:58, Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> It’s been a year since our current board members were approved, so it’s time<br>
>>>>>> to revisit!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> As a quick recap for folks that haven’t been around, or need a reminder:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Board member positions last for one year.<br>
>>>>>> Any supporting member is eligible to vote for board members.<br>
>>>>>> Any supporting member is eligible to run for a position on the board.<br>
>>>>>> There is no limit on the number of board members, so if you want to run and<br>
>>>>>> participate, you’re not taking a spot away from anyone else.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> There is a minimum number of 3 board members.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Supporting members are those who have contributed at the Basic level<br>
>>>>>> ($20/mo) (or more) for the last 12 months.<br>
>>>>>> Voting is open for 7 days.<br>
>>>>>> Each board member is a separate “election”, IE you don’t have to choose one<br>
>>>>>> person to vote for, you choose Yay or Nay for all individuals.<br>
>>>>>> Please respond to the list with your votes, the list serves as our public<br>
>>>>>> records.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Our current list of supporting members is as follows (the folks who are<br>
>>>>>> eligible to vote):<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Robert Salsgiver<br>
>>>>>> Benjamin Krueger<br>
>>>>>> Nigel Vander Houwen<br>
>>>>>> Ryan Turner<br>
>>>>>> Bartlomiej Kus<br>
>>>>>> Daniel Ransom<br>
>>>>>> Allen Johnson<br>
>>>>>> Clifton Gurlen<br>
>>>>>> Ian Finder<br>
>>>>>> Ryan Spott<br>
>>>>>> Mike Shirley<br>
>>>>>> Terence Chan<br>
>>>>>> Tim Osburn<br>
>>>>>> Cory Johnson<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> In addition, we have a few folks that have made one time donations, or<br>
>>>>>> haven’t been on a recurring donation long enough to be a supporting member.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Jim Hudspeth<br>
>>>>>> Francis Haugen<br>
>>>>>> David Yost<br>
>>>>>> Nick Austin<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> I’d like to thank all of the above folks for supporting HamWAN and our<br>
>>>>>> ability to purchase gear to expand the network and provide services to<br>
>>>>>> users. We’ve been very fortunate in our ability to keep overhead low, so we<br>
>>>>>> can put as much as possible into things that directly improve the network.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> We’ve seen the last year bring a pile of great progress:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> A number of new Open Peering Policy users have joined us, using our network<br>
>>>>>> infrastructure to announce their 44-net networks to the internet.<br>
>>>>>> Capitol Peak was approved and brought online.<br>
>>>>>> Additional hardware for Gold was approved and brought online.<br>
>>>>>> We added a high resolution PTZ camera at our Baldi site with generous<br>
>>>>>> donations specifically for the camera.<br>
>>>>>> Rob has done some fantastic work bringing some hospitals online.<br>
>>>>>> We worked with our friends in Victoria BC to bring the Triangle site online<br>
>>>>>> We underwent a routine IRS audit that found no problems, and I’d really love<br>
>>>>>> to thank Cory for his efforts on this, and hope for his continued<br>
>>>>>> involvement on the board.<br>
>>>>>> We rebuilt the HamWAN.org website from scratch, Bart and Tom put a huge<br>
>>>>>> amount of effort into this. Thanks guys!<br>
>>>>>> Our sister networks in Memphis and Tampa have both grown.<br>
>>>>>> We purchased our own ASN to improve our ability to help our sister networks<br>
>>>>>> get online via BGP, and released the borrowed one we had been using back to<br>
>>>>>> Threshold Communications, which had been generously letting us use it. They<br>
>>>>>> continue to support our Westin edge router, which we appreciate greatly.<br>
>>>>>> We purchased a number of locking equipment racks to help us install our gear<br>
>>>>>> securely at sites.<br>
>>>>>> We’ve purchased extra batteries to extend the runtime in case of a power<br>
>>>>>> outage at Baldi (yet to be installed).<br>
>>>>>> We’ve purchased and replaced a few failing modems over the year as well.<br>
>>>>>> We’ve had some repeaters get connected this year, and we’ve recently added<br>
>>>>>> an on-network DMR C-Bridge to support their efforts.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> As you can see, there’s a lot of forward progress over the last year, and<br>
>>>>>> there’s no end in sight.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Which brings me to the bit about actually electing board members. For the<br>
>>>>>> last year, Bart Kus, Cory Johnson, Ryan Turner, and myself have acted as the<br>
>>>>>> board for HamWAN. I’ve confirmed with each of them that they’re willing to<br>
>>>>>> serve again this year if elected, so we’ll combine the votes for all four in<br>
>>>>>> one email thread.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Cory Johnson - Cory has graciously handled HamWAN’s financial and legal<br>
>>>>>> filings and reports. I’m incredibly grateful for his efforts in general, and<br>
>>>>>> especially this year after completing our IRS audit. Thank you Cory!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Ryan Turner - Ryan heads our sister network in Memphis, and has put a lot of<br>
>>>>>> effort into our automation, and outreach. Thank you Ryan!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Bart Kus - Bart continues to put enormous effort into the physical aspects<br>
>>>>>> of the network, acquiring new sites, installing and maintaining them, as<br>
>>>>>> well as some software projects, as well as acting as an administrator for<br>
>>>>>> the Puget Sound network day to day. Thank you Bart!<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Nigel Vander Houwen - (me) I handle much of our contract work, and record<br>
>>>>>> keeping around technical aspects like LoAs, I serve as a day to day network<br>
>>>>>> administrator, and have helped deploy and maintain some of the on-network<br>
>>>>>> services, occasionally I manage to make a site visit with Bart to get things<br>
>>>>>> done, and I handle things like the email you’re reading now.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Voting is open for Cory, Ryan, Bart, and myself for 7 days, after which the<br>
>>>>>> final results will be decided by the majority of votes cast.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> If any of the supporting members from above would like to participate on the<br>
>>>>>> board, please announce your intention on this list, and your 7 day voting<br>
>>>>>> period will end 7 days after your announcement. Duties are not time<br>
>>>>>> intensive, and mostly consist of being available for occasional calls to<br>
>>>>>> approve expenses, and assisting HamWAN in whichever other ways your time<br>
>>>>>> and/or skills/knowledge allow.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Thank you all for reading this rather long email, and hope to serve for<br>
>>>>>> another great year with HamWAN.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Nigel Vander Houwen<br>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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