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I'm not sure that's a fair assessment. The link to SnoDEM is only
-77dBm and only on hpol (vpol is -90 ish). Here's the perf that
link gets:<br>
<br>
<tt>[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eo@SnoDEM.Haystack">eo@SnoDEM.Haystack</a>] /interface wireless registration-table>
/tool bandwidth-test 44.24.242.6 direction=receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-current: 4.4Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-10-second-average: 4.7Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-total-average: 4.4Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> lost-packets: 478</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-size: 1500</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eo@SnoDEM.Haystack">eo@SnoDEM.Haystack</a>] /interface wireless
registration-table> /tool bandwidth-test 44.24.242.6
direction=transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-current: 11.9kbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-10-second-average: 27.6kbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-total-average: 26.4kbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-size: 1500</tt><br>
<br>
That TX path makes the link useless. Better to turn it off! Or
maybe ditch the weak polarity.<br>
<br>
Then there's Nigel's + my link (I'm NOT uplinking right now), both
sitting @ -81dBm, which is pretty low. Or at least we were. I see
Nigel's @ -68dBm right now. I don't know how to explain that.
Here's the link speed:<br>
<br>
<tt>[eo@Haystack-S3] /interface wireless registration-table>
/tool bandwidth-test 44.24.241.78 direction=receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-current: 21.3Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-10-second-average: 19.4Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-total-average: 18.8Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> lost-packets: 1720</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-size: 1500</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>[eo@Haystack-S3] /interface wireless registration-table>
/tool bandwidth-test 44.24.241.78 direction=transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-current: 25.2Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-10-second-average: 26.7Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-total-average: 24.4Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-size: 1500</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt>But of course that's on S3, so he'll be sharing time domain
with NR3O's uplink, so cut that speed at least in 1/2, and probably
more when the -81dBm conditions return. Then we have a link to
QueenAnne:<br>
<br>
<tt>[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eo@QueenAnne.Haystack">eo@QueenAnne.Haystack</a>] > /tool bandwidth-test 44.24.242.39
direction=receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-current: 113.9Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-10-second-average: 124.3Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-total-average: 104.6Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> lost-packets: 6234</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-size: 1500</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eo@QueenAnne.Haystack">eo@QueenAnne.Haystack</a>] > /tool bandwidth-test
44.24.242.39 direction=transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-current: 76.2Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-10-second-average: 76.7Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-total-average: 58.4Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-size: 1500</tt><tt><br>
</tt><br>
Which as you can see is pretty sweet, but it's then choked by the
QueenAnne-Westin link when it comes to reaching the Internet:<br>
<br>
<tt>[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eo@QueenAnne.Seattle">eo@QueenAnne.Seattle</a>] > /tool bandwidth-test 44.24.242.35
direction=receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-current: 3.2Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-10-second-average: 2.9Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-total-average: 2.9Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> lost-packets: 28</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: receive</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> rx-size: 1500</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eo@QueenAnne.Seattle">eo@QueenAnne.Seattle</a>] > /tool bandwidth-test
44.24.242.35 direction=transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> status: running</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> duration: 30s</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-current: 4.5Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-10-second-average: 4.3Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-total-average: 4.3Mbps</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> random-data: no</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> direction: transmit</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> tx-size: 1500</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt>The Victoria link doesn't have direct peering to the Internet,
it VPNs back to the Westin. Last time I measured, it does 15Mbit
one way and 30Mbit the other way, and I don't know what the limits
are on the cable modem VPN.<br>
<br>
So no, I would not consider Haystack as having good connectivity.
We need to get Victoria onto a different cell site (yet to be
constructed) so we can point the dish back at SnoDEM. Having the
dish pointed back @ SnoDEM will also allow K7NVH's uplink to be
collinear and get out of the -81dBm muck. We also need to fix
QueenAnne's connectivity. This might have some chance of success as
we get more access to the Capitol Park site. We could either up
CP's connectivity with CA and Baldi, and route via Tukwila, or we
could connect CP directly to Haystack and route via Tukwila.
QueenAnne may also be able to link with Gold.<br>
<br>
So if you're seeing slow connectivity, on the order of 5Mbit or so,
now you know why.<br>
<br>
PS: I disabled ch1 on Haystack.SnoDEM and the slow
Haystack->SnoDEM transfer speeds didn't stop. Now I suspect it's
the brand new 5GHz WiFi that got installed all over that building.
Need to do more research and maybe find a better frequency.<br>
<br>
--Bart<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2017 11:27 PM, Rob Salsgiver
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cool
– thanks. Once again it seems my mind is the item suffering
the outages these days….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
PSDR [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org">mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nigel
Vander Houwen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 13, 2017 11:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Puget Sound Data Ring<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Haystack Site Outage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Haystack is pretty well connected as
well, it has links to Vancouver, Paine, and Queen Anne, as
well as Bart and myself are uplink nodes connected to
Haystack.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nigel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 13, 2017, at 23:19, Rob
Salsgiver <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@nr3o.com">rob@nr3o.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
was thinking more about the strength/stability of
Haystack. When I was connecting up the hospital in
Monroe I thought I remembered being told that
Haystack was marginal due to the split from Paine
and one of the other links being interfered with
(Amazon?) – I might be mixing my site memories. If
it’s marginal I would like to see Haystack
solidified (if possible) as I have Evergreen on
there and it’s my #1 option for Everett Clinic.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rob</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">PSDR
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org">mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Nigel
Vander Houwen<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
March 13, 2017 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Puget
Sound Data Ring<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[HamWAN PSDR] Haystack Site Outage</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rob,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That’s correct, the dish at
haystack was turned a few degrees farther north to
better connect Victoria. However, the link to Paine
remains up, and has fairly good signal strength.
Adding in the East Tiger<->Paine and
Gold<->Paine links, the site is pretty well
connected. Adding another dish to gain a few dB on
an already decent signal isn’t currently on the
plans.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nigel<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 13, 2017, at
14:21, Rob Salsgiver <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@nr3o.com"><span
style="color:purple">rob@nr3o.com</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nigel,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
memory serves me correctly I think we
swung the Paine dish to cover the new
Victoria site last year. Are there any
plans to install a separate dish to
optimize both links once the weather and
access improve?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rob
/ NR3O</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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name="_MailEndCompose"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">PSDR
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Nigel
Vander Houwen<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
March 12, 2017 11:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Puget
Sound Data Ring <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org"><span
style="color:purple">psdr@hamwan.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[HamWAN PSDR] Haystack Site Outage</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Today Bart and the
site owner took another run at getting
up to haystack and managed to fight
their way up to the site. They managed
to get a lot done, and Haystack is in
much better shape.<o:p></o:p></p>
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level1 lfo1">They found some misbehaving
equipment that had a huge draw (>400W
continuous) on the power system up there,
overwhelming the solar generation
capacity, draining the batteries, and
causing the generator to run more than it
should have been needed, and then run out
of fuel.<o:p></o:p></li>
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fuel that was brought partway up the
mountain on the last trip.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">Bart replaced the Haystack-S3
modem to see if it would fix an issue
we’re seeing with non-symmetric signal
strengths. It didn’t resolve the issue, so
we’ll revisit that issue again later.<o:p></o:p></li>
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for the Haystack-S3 modem that may have
been the cause for the earlier Haystack-S3
outage.<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All together, with
the misbehaving loads removed from the
system, and the generator refueled to
get the batteries recharged so it’s not
all on solar to bring things back up,
things are looking much better.<o:p></o:p></p>
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online all of the HamWAN equipment at
the site, so the sectors and backbone
links are all up and operating normally.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d like to thank
again the folks who made the previous
attempt and got the fuel most of the way
up the mountain, as well as bart and the
site owner for making the run today to
finish the job. All the efforts are
appreciated, and are paying off in the
site being back online.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello All,<br>
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Our site at Haystack has been
having some trouble with the solar
charging setup, and has not been
able to get much energy with the
limited solar that remains working
onsite, as such, the site owner
has been intermittently running
the generator to keep the
batteries charged. Unfortunately,
as of Friday the generator is out
of fuel.<br>
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Bart, Bruce, and one or two others
(I didn’t catch the names), made a
heroic effort today to get onsite
with snowmobiles and a snow cat to
refuel the tanks, and repair the
solar charging problems, but were
stymied by snow conditions, and
were not able to reach the site
today.<br>
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Considering the limited solar
functioning, and the clear weather
today, we had a pretty good day,
but the forecast doesn’t look
promising for keeping that up.<br>
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I’ve shut down our sectors at
Haystack to try and conserve some
power, so if you normally connect
to Haystack, or were looking to
try, please be aware that for the
moment, the Haystack sectors are
offline.<br>
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We’ll let you know when we’re able
to get the sectors back online.
Hopefully soon we’ll be able to
get more fuel up there, and the
extra solar capacity repaired.<br>
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Thanks again for the efforts of
the volunteers that tried to reach
the site today. It was a real
slog, and the efforts are
appreciated.<br>
<br>
Nigel<br>
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