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    <font size="+1"><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Hi Tom,<br>
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        I used the Scadacore RF Line of Sight path modeling <br>
        (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scadacore.com/field-tools/rf-path/rf-line-of-sight/">http://www.scadacore.com/field-tools/rf-path/rf-line-of-sight/</a>)<br>
        This app has to be run on device that has google earth app
        installed, like an iPad.<br>
        <br>
        Using these parameters:<br>
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        Haystack    Lat:     47.808024<br>
                    Lot:    -121.727227<br>
                    Height:  3 m<br>
        <br>
        My QTH      Lat:     47.722862<br>
                    Lot:    -121.925666<br>
                    Height:  10 m<br>
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        From the looks of the plot, I have obstructed line of sight at
        19.41 km.  So unlikely Haystack will work.  Will check out the
        other sites...<br>
        <br>
        Jim<br>
        W7ABD<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/19/17 14:04, Tom Hayward wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">The antennas are about ten feet above ground.
        They're mounted to the building, no tower. 
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        <div dir="auto">Tom KD7LXL </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 19, 2017 1:12 PM, "W7ABD" <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:w7abd1@gmail.com">w7abd1@gmail.com</a>>
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            <div text="#3333FF" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="+1"><font
                  face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Thanks for the
                  info Tom!<br>
                  <br>
                  I completely missed the lat/lot at the top of the
                  pictures page...<br>
                  <br>
                  Do you know the MSL (height of the haystack antenna). 
                  Seems I have missed that too...<br>
                  <br>
                  Will be happy to share my method for path modeling
                  once I get it up and running... <br>
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                  Thanks!<br>
                  <br>
                  Jim<br>
                  W7ABD<br>
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              <div class="m_-1031402482523019306moz-cite-prefix">On
                08/19/17 08:15, Tom Hayward wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="auto">You can find the location published
                  here:
                  <div dir="auto"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://hamwan.org/Puget%20Sound%20Data%20Ring/Sites/Haystack.html"
                      target="_blank">https://hamwan.org/Puget%<wbr>20Sound%20Data%20Ring/Sites/<wbr>Haystack.html</a><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">The antenna pattern is here:</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://hamwan.org/Labs/Antenna%20Analysis/Ubiquiti%205G-19-120.html"
                      target="_blank">https://hamwan.org/Labs/<wbr>Antenna%20Analysis/Ubiquiti%<wbr>205G-19-120.html</a><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Haystack has two of these, aimed at 0
                    and 240 degrees. </div>
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                  <div dir="auto">There is 500mw of transmit power at
                    the antennas. The receiver threshold is about
                    -90dBm, but -70 is required for full speed. </div>
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                  <div dir="auto">I'm always curious to hear about path
                    modeling, if you want to share your methodology. </div>
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                  <div dir="auto">Tom KD7LXL </div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 19, 2017 8:05 AM,
                    "W7ABD" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:w7abd1@gmail.com" target="_blank">w7abd1@gmail.com</a>>

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                      <div text="#3333FF" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font
                          size="+1"><font face="Courier New, Courier,
                            monospace">I considering joining HAMWAN, but
                            before I invest in the equipment want to
                            make sure I will have good signal and
                            bandwidth at my home QTH.<br>
                            <br>
                            Can someone please send me the exact
                            location (lat, lon) of Haystack, so I can do
                            a line-of-sight study.<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks!<br>
                            <br>
                            Jim<br>
                            W7ABD<br>
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