<div dir="ltr">Actually, the model looks good to me:<div><div><img src="cid:ii_15e0896d943b019e" alt="Inline image 2" style="margin-right: 0px;"></div><div>This is with Radio Mobile. The link is only 17.57km, so I'm not sure why you get a reported obstruction at 19.41km. One of us must be punching the coordinates in wrong.</div></div><div><br></div><div>On Google Earth the trees look pretty tall. Trees are pretty good attenuators at 5.9 GHz, so you'll need clear line of sight for it to work.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 12:38 PM, W7ABD <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:w7abd1@gmail.com" target="_blank">w7abd1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <font size="+1"><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Hi Tom,<br>
        <br>
        I used the Scadacore RF Line of Sight path modeling <br>
        (<a class="m_6696628671987742442moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scadacore.com/field-tools/rf-path/rf-line-of-sight/" target="_blank">http://www.scadacore.com/<wbr>field-tools/rf-path/rf-line-<wbr>of-sight/</a>)<br>
        This app has to be run on device that has google earth app
        installed, like an iPad.<br>
        <br>
        Using these parameters:<br>
        <br>
        Haystack    Lat:     47.808024<br>
                    Lot:    -121.727227<br>
                    Height:  3 m<br>
        <br>
        My QTH      Lat:     47.722862<br>
                    Lot:    -121.925666<br>
                    Height:  10 m<br>
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        From the looks of the plot, I have obstructed line of sight at
        19.41 km.  So unlikely Haystack will work.  Will check out the
        other sites...<br>
        <br>
        Jim<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
        W7ABD<br>
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    <div class="m_6696628671987742442moz-cite-prefix">On 08/19/17 14:04, Tom Hayward wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">The antennas are about ten feet above ground.
        They're mounted to the building, no tower. 
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        <div dir="auto">Tom KD7LXL </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 19, 2017 1:12 PM, "W7ABD" <<a href="mailto:w7abd1@gmail.com" target="_blank">w7abd1@gmail.com</a>>
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            <div text="#3333FF" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="+1"><font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Thanks for the
                  info Tom!<br>
                  <br>
                  I completely missed the lat/lot at the top of the
                  pictures page...<br>
                  <br>
                  Do you know the MSL (height of the haystack antenna). 
                  Seems I have missed that too...<br>
                  <br>
                  Will be happy to share my method for path modeling
                  once I get it up and running... <br>
                  <br>
                  Thanks!<br>
                  <br>
                  Jim<br>
                  W7ABD<br>
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                08/19/17 08:15, Tom Hayward wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="auto">You can find the location published
                  here:
                  <div dir="auto"><a href="https://hamwan.org/Puget%20Sound%20Data%20Ring/Sites/Haystack.html" target="_blank">https://hamwan.org/Puget%20Sou<wbr>nd%20Data%20Ring/Sites/Haystac<wbr>k.html</a><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">The antenna pattern is here:</div>
                  <div dir="auto"><a href="https://hamwan.org/Labs/Antenna%20Analysis/Ubiquiti%205G-19-120.html" target="_blank">https://hamwan.org/Labs/Antenn<wbr>a%20Analysis/Ubiquiti%205G-19-<wbr>120.html</a><br>
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                  <div dir="auto">Haystack has two of these, aimed at 0
                    and 240 degrees. </div>
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                  <div dir="auto">There is 500mw of transmit power at
                    the antennas. The receiver threshold is about
                    -90dBm, but -70 is required for full speed. </div>
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                  <div dir="auto">I'm always curious to hear about path
                    modeling, if you want to share your methodology. </div>
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                  <div dir="auto">Tom KD7LXL </div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 19, 2017 8:05 AM,
                    "W7ABD" <<a href="mailto:w7abd1@gmail.com" target="_blank">w7abd1@gmail.com</a>>

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                      <div text="#3333FF" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <font size="+1"><font face="Courier New, Courier,
                            monospace">I considering joining HAMWAN, but
                            before I invest in the equipment want to
                            make sure I will have good signal and
                            bandwidth at my home QTH.<br>
                            <br>
                            Can someone please send me the exact
                            location (lat, lon) of Haystack, so I can do
                            a line-of-sight study.<br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks!<br>
                            <br>
                            Jim<br>
                            W7ABD<br>
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