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This is likely the greatest failure in my early HamWAN design work:
choosing to make the PtMP frequencies be Part 97 only. The utility
of the network suffers as a result of this decision. I think we
could have done a better job if HamWAN were run under ISM / UNII
licensing, and were simply implemented and operated by hams. Most
(if not all) of the backbone runs ISM / UNII frequencies and can
carry encrypted traffic, but the sectors can't since they're
strictly in P97 spectrum. Perhaps it's time to revisit that
decision for a better future.<br>
<br>
I would love to see a properly designed distributed communications
system for HamWAN. I have many design thoughts on this, but they're
too long to share here. It's all gated on developer time.<br>
<br>
Blockchain should be completely compatible with Part 97 regulations,
so it can run on HamWAN as well. It doesn't use encryption, just
cryptographic signatures / hashing, which is fine by the P97 rules.
This is why IPsec(AH) is usable over P97 as well.<br>
<br>
Given the ordering-a-pizza allowance in general for amateur radio,
and given that blockchain is also fine, I can see how ordering a
pizza through a HamWAN blockchain would be OK.<br>
<br>
Would love to hear more details of what Kent thinks would work well
over such a network. We could definitely use some more software
people participating in the project in general, and especially those
with a security / cryptography / networking focus.<br>
<br>
PS: Back when I was doing the original design work, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://">https://</a> was
still fine as long as your web server used a null cipher. Support
for this mode has since been removed from all browsers. Sadness. I
have requested Chrome put it back, but to no avail.<br>
<br>
PPS: We have had far better success with SSH. MikroTik (our router
vendor) did respond to our request to implement SSH with null cipher
support, and you can now use a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Authentication/SSH%20Without%20Encryption.html">custom
built ssh client</a> to SSH into HamWAN routers while remaining
P97 compliant and retaining most security benefits of SSH, aside
from privacy.<br>
<br>
--Bart<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/5/2018 9:47 AM, Carl wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello
Kent,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please
keep in mind, it is strictly prohibited (by Federal
regulation) to do any kind of business/commerce over amateur
radio (which includes HamWAN), and further, no encryption of
any kind is permitted over amateur radio. For these
reasons, you cannot utilize HamWAN for commercial purposes,
even in a disaster/emergency scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As
to your location and getting HamWAN, the various sector
locations are clearly identified on the HamWAN website. I’m
going to guess that possibly Capitol Park (a few blocks
north of Kaiser Permanente (Group Health) might be your best
possibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As
to a connection to your mother – you won’t get a direct line
of sight connection, however her house may permit connection
to a HamWAN sector (possibly Capitol Peak or BawFAW?).
However, to have an installation/connection there would of
course require your mother to hold an amateur radio license
also. Every HamWAN client dish must be programmed with that
operator’s amateur call sign, which is sent as part of the
data packets transmitted to comply with FCC ID requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As
to “rural ham radio operators becoming the internet
providers”, again that can only be to other amateur
operators, and that can only be for amateur radio
communications – no business, commerce, or encryption. You
can’t even connect to an <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://">https://</a> connection, just <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://">http://</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Carl,
N7KUW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
PSDR [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org">mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent
Dahlgren<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org">psdr@hamwan.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [HamWAN PSDR] New to HAMWAN (NE Portland)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hey, y'all. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I just purchased the recommended
"Mikrotik RouterBOARD Metal 5SHPn wifi radio," and am
seeking an antenna, but will likely be up and running
soon. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm located at 66th and Sandy/Fremont
area, and am interested in running a couple of
experiments:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">Set up a HAMWAN relay connection between
here (my home) and where my mom lives (Ryderwood, WA)<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo2">Testing the mobile blockchain software my
team created<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm currently CTO for a company
called Bitnation, and we've created (and continue to
update) an Android/iOS app that provides decentralized
blockchain-based economic services over secure and
anonymous chat.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm pretty interested in pursing real
experience in getting this to work over HAMWAN, to
demonstrate that it would facilitate baseline
communication and commerce in the aftermath of a natural
disaster. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My goal is to help rural HAM radio
people become the internet providers, if that makes any
sense.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I've also invested in an AltheaMesh
router, fyi. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kent<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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