<div><div dir="auto">I tried using the Canopy system at 900mhz. Just three miles, nada. Canopy is wide band, but I still expected a link. Then I looked at the spectrum and it was BAD in downtown.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Steve </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:03 AM Bart Kus <<a href="mailto:me@bartk.us">me@bartk.us</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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To back up my claims of low noise floor, here's 5 minutes of airtime
sampled from a 900MHz antenna @ Haystack, aimed roughly at Everett
(287 degrees):<br>
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<img src="cid:16ae5def4b52d96d2141" alt="" style="width:1024px;max-width:100%"><br>
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I don't use this system anymore, so I'm making it available for
HamWAN experimentation for the next few weeks/months. To use it:<br>
<br>
Modem: Rocket M900 / M9, or compatible, dual-polarity MIMO.<br>
Antenna: <a href="https://www.ui.com/airmax/airmax-yagi-antenna/" target="_blank">https://www.ui.com/airmax/airmax-yagi-antenna/</a><br>
SSID: HamWAN<br>
Frequency: 917MHz<br>
Bandwidth: 5MHz<br>
Mode: AirMAX TDMA<br>
Security: None<br>
IP: DHCP<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you're attempting to connect, regardless of
success or failure, as both results are useful.</div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br>
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--Bart<br>
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<br>
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<div class="m_3459486092482832180moz-cite-prefix">On 5/23/2019 10:16 AM, Bart Kus wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Another
thing to mention about 900MHz usage is that it's very close to
really powerful paging / cell systems. We had to use an 8-cavity
super-narrow bandpass filter to make the 900MHz installation @
Gold Mtn work. The initial deploy didn't use said filter, and the
adjacent QRM was so bad that I couldn't even connect to the AP
from the base of the tower! I have several more filters in stock
to support any possible future site deployments.
<br>
<br>
In my surveys, I haven't observed the high in-band noise floor
that others are reporting.
<br>
<br>
Due to the lower gain and directivity of 900MHz antennas, the
signal levels are low, and higher power would be useful. Sadly,
900MHz bidirectional amplifiers are still prohibitively
expensive. If I recall correctly, the math models I did for
900MHz mobile coverage required something like 500W peak amplifier
performance to get decent data rates.
<br>
<br>
Sad to hear about the EOL of the 9HPn. :( In light of that news,
it probably makes sense to re-work that system with available
gear, such as UBNT.
<br>
<br>
--Bart
<br>
<br>
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On 5/23/2019 10:03 AM, Bryan Fields wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On 5/23/19 12:57 PM, Steve wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">The 900 MHz noise floor is pretty bad
around the populated areas. Lots of
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utility's use it now.
<br>
<br>
The narrower the better.
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If it's just a ptp use, a M2 yagi will help.
<br>
<br>
Also, there are radios from the mid 2000's mabe by alvarion:
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<a class="m_3459486092482832180moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/162895142474" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/162895142474</a>
<br>
They are a 2 mhz channel and will do about 1.5 Mbit/s and 550
packets/sec.
<br>
It's not a lot but if it's behind trees, it's just fine for a
link or a few
<br>
phones.
<br>
<br>
73's
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