<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Jamie,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please do use as you see fit. There are certainly applications where it may make sense. For HamWAN as an org doing installs with the community’s generously donated funds, finding the appropriate value/performance balance is critical.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We’ve been using TC-Pro nearly since inception (and have also gone back and replaced some older stuff that wasn’t, with TC-Pro). Installed appropriately I’m not aware of any cable failures. Installing appropriately also got significantly easier when we found proper cushions for the cable.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With regards to grounding, typically we use grounding devices attached to a bus bar at building entrance, but if there were a requirement to do it on/at tower, my first thought would be to use a weatherproof steel enclosure, put a grounding bar and the grounding devices in there, and ground that way. Additionally, that allows you to put protection on the data lines as well, much like you’d do on coax with a polyphaser. I suspect that would remain substantially cheaper, but I haven’t run the numbers at the moment. Alternately, run fiber to the tower and put a switch in an enclosure, so no conductive path leaves the tower at all. (This assumes power is available/can be run.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway, as I said, there’s nothing wrong with this choice if that’s what makes sense or works for you. For HamWAN installs we’ve had so far, that cable would double or more the cost of the entire cell site (Cell buildouts are typically a few $k, and we often use 1/2 to 1 1k’ box of TC-Pro), for benefits that are addressed in other ways, so I don’t imagine us using it or something like it except in very very exceptional circumstances.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Nigel</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 1, 2019, at 21:26, Jamie Hughes <<a href="mailto:wa7jh@outlook.com" class="">wa7jh@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Nigel,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">The TC-Pro looks like it’s outdoor rated, but not so much tower use. In some cases that I may go, I will be collocated with public safety equipment and I know that the cable they will require must be tower rated cable. I like this stuff, even at it’s price, since it can be grounded just like coax at the required points of contact using standard grounding kits provided by Times or Belden. I get it’s pricy, but I’d rather be safe than sorry.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Jamie Hughes</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">WA7JH<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Mobile:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+13603408886" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;" class="">(360) 340-8886</span></a></span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" class="">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Nigel Vander Houwen<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 1, 2019 8:55 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Puget Sound Data Ring <<a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" class="">psdr@hamwan.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 1/2" Outdoor UV Protected CAT 5e<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ooof, that pricing is real rough. Unless there’s a real specific circumstance, it’s pretty hard to justify a 50x+ cost increase for some ethernet cable.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Nigel<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Sep 1, 2019, at 20:18, Jamie Hughes <<a href="mailto:wa7jh@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">wa7jh@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">All,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Please see attached data sheet. And I got an email with pricing:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Custom cuts are $10/ft but I can do a full 1000ft spool for $7500<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Thanks,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Jamie Hughes</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">WA7JH</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Mobile:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+13603408886" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;" class="">(360) 340-8886</span></a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tim Osburn<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, September 1, 2019 8:01 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Puget Sound Data Ring <<a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">psdr@hamwan.org</span></a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 1/2" Outdoor UV Protected CAT 5e<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Jamie,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>You happen to know the cost per foot on that.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Sep 1, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Jamie Hughes <<a href="mailto:wa7jh@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">wa7jh@outlook.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">All,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">I’m not sure what the current cable type and product is running from tower mounted antennas to the equipment in the site shelters, but check this product out. I came across this Outdoor rated CAT5e cable designed to mount alongside coax on a tower. It grounds like ½” coax. This is exciting things that jumped out to me:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><ol start="1" type="1" style="margin-bottom: 0in; margin-top: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">Mounts to towers using common coax rubber doughnut ½” mounts</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">Can be grounded just like coax to meet the requirements of the site owner</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">Is Outdoor rated</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">Is UV rated</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ol><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">If interested, please see Tyler Booth, contact card attached.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">Thanks,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">Jamie Hughes</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Eras Medium ITC", sans-serif;" class="">WA7JH</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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