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<div dir="auto">Thank you Nigel,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Have a great night, and thank you guys for all you do.</div>
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<div>From: Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel@nigelvh.com> </div>
<div>Date: 9/1/19 22:27 (GMT-08:00) </div>
<div>To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 1/2" Outdoor UV Protected CAT 5e </div>
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<div class="">Please do use as you see fit. There are certainly applications where it may make sense. For HamWAN as an org doing installs with the community’s generously donated funds, finding the appropriate value/performance balance is critical.</div>
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<div class="">With regards to grounding, typically we use grounding devices attached to a bus bar at building entrance, but if there were a requirement to do it on/at tower, my first thought would be to use a weatherproof steel enclosure, put a grounding bar
and the grounding devices in there, and ground that way. Additionally, that allows you to put protection on the data lines as well, much like you’d do on coax with a polyphaser. I suspect that would remain substantially cheaper, but I haven’t run the numbers
at the moment. Alternately, run fiber to the tower and put a switch in an enclosure, so no conductive path leaves the tower at all. (This assumes power is available/can be run.)</div>
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<div class="">Anyway, as I said, there’s nothing wrong with this choice if that’s what makes sense or works for you. For HamWAN installs we’ve had so far, that cable would double or more the cost of the entire cell site (Cell buildouts are typically a few $k,
and we often use 1/2 to 1 1k’ box of TC-Pro), for benefits that are addressed in other ways, so I don’t imagine us using it or something like it except in very very exceptional circumstances.</div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:"Eras Medium ITC",sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">The TC-Pro looks like it’s outdoor rated, but not so much tower use. In some cases that I may go, I will be collocated with public safety equipment and I know that the cable
they will require must be tower rated cable. I like this stuff, even at it’s price, since it can be grounded just like coax at the required points of contact using standard grounding kits provided by Times or Belden. I get it’s pricy, but I’d rather be safe
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" class="">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Nigel
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 1/2" Outdoor UV Protected CAT 5e</div>
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Ooof, that pricing is real rough. Unless there’s a real specific circumstance, it’s pretty hard to justify a 50x+ cost increase for some ethernet cable.</div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:"Eras Medium ITC",sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Please see attached data sheet. And I got an email with pricing:</span></div>
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Custom cuts are $10/ft but I can do a full 1000ft spool for $7500</div>
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="color:purple">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<b class="">To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Puget Sound Data Ring <<a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="color:purple">psdr@hamwan.org</span></a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [HamWAN PSDR] 1/2" Outdoor UV Protected CAT 5e</div>
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