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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>John, Yes, in this case HamWAN is being used as the connection between Winlink email client (and its associated local RMS Relay) and the CMS on the internet, so it’s going out OTA on the 5GHz ham band.. It could be that a solution is to direct the traffic via HamWAN to an internet-based RMS (or CMS) that does not use SSL which would then upstream to the mother ship CMS using SSL? If so, perhaps we can get one setup on Azure/AWS/GoogleCloud for that purpose.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Stephen W9SK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John D. Hays<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2021 9:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Are those over the airwaves?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 17:56 Scott Currie <<a href="mailto:scott.d.currie@gmail.com">scott.d.currie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This is not entirely true. Winlink does use TLS/SSL connections for some things. The normal telnet connection is now SSL (will fallback to non-SSL if the connection fails). Also, RMS Gateway to the CMS is now SSL. Telnet P2P and telnet to RMS Relay is not SSL. I believe updates are also SSL now.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><img border=0 width=479 height=267 style='width:4.9916in;height:2.7791in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D719E4.D2A2EE10"></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Winlink Express Link Test:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Test started 2021/03/16 00:52 UTC<br><br>Testing CMS telnet connection to <a href="http://cms.winlink.org" target="_blank">cms.winlink.org</a> through port 8772...<br> Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8772 in 253 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing CMS SSL telnet connection to <a href="http://cms.winlink.org" target="_blank">cms.winlink.org</a> through port 8773...<br> Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8773 in 311 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing API service access through port 443 to api.winlink.org...<br> Successfully performed API service to <a href="http://api.winlink.org" target="_blank">api.winlink.org</a> through port 443 in 756 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing Autoupdate server access through port 443 to autoupdate2.winlink.org...<br> Successfully checked autoupdate server through port 443 in 439 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing connection to web site - <a href="http://www.winlink.org:443" target="_blank">www.winlink.org:443</a><br> Successfully connected to <a href="http://www.winlink.org" target="_blank">www.winlink.org</a> through port 443 in 47 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing FTP connection to SFI site - <a href="ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt</a><br> Successfully connected to <a href="ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt</a> through port 20/21 in 1522 Milliseconds<br><br>Test completed successfully.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-Scott, NS7C<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:45 PM Stephen Kangas <<a href="mailto:stephen@kangas.com" target="_blank">stephen@kangas.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Phil, an example of the ham band traffic that Kenny mentioned is not permitted by the FCC is encrypted communications traffic…this means the majority of websites your visit today and many email hosters, since websites commonly use TLS/SSL encryption (indicated by “https” in front of the URL in your browser address bar) or encrypted settings in your email hoster & client. Winlink does NOT use encryption, thus is legal, and is the primary application for my ARES team using HamWAN. As Kenny points out, certain routers (not inexpensive home models) can be used to split that traffic appropriately, but it is not an easy setup unless you have a background in data networks or cybersecurity…so it’s far easier to either use HamWAN just for your dedicated ARES laptop use or switch a cable back and forth using one pipe at a time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>FWIW, Stephen W9SK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kenny Richards<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2021 12:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> Puget Sound Data Ring <<a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr@hamwan.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Just want to add two things to what Carl said already.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>1) Line of sight means you can actually 'see' the HamWAN node, or at least you can with something like a pair of binoculars. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>2) Remember that HamWAN is not meant to be a replacement for your home internet. Be very conscious of what traffic you are putting over HamWAN. I don't recommend connecting it to your home network unless you are familiar enough with routing rules to limit what traffic goes out the HamWAN link.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Good luck,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Kenny, KU7M</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:40 PM <<a href="mailto:carl@n7kuw.com" target="_blank">carl@n7kuw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You can do all of the configuration while on the ground, but obviously you won’t have any signal. You don’t indicate what specific equipment you have, but if you have the mAnt30 dish and separate router/modem, make sure you have the antenna connected before powering it up.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As to trees, they are an absolute show stopper. You must have clear, visual, line of sight to the HamWAN site you are shooting to. Hopefully you will have that, or can achieve that, from where you plan to mount the dish. As to “just over them”, a microwave shot consists of the direct, pure line of sight, but also what is referred to as the Fresnel zone – a cigar shaped “balloon” around the pure line of sight. Items in the Fresnel zone (including trees) can reduce the amount of signal you have, so you may not get optimum performance, but some.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In your initial post you commented about how to balance between your regular internet and HamWAN for a Winlink node. My suggestion would be to just leave it on one (whichever one) as the norm, and only switch to the other if the one goes down. You can also acquire routers that include failover capability to automatically make that switch. You can go more advanced with load sharing and such between multiple connections, but that requires much better understanding of internet routing, and for a winlink node basic failover will serve your purpose.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Good luck, let us know how things turn out.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Carl, N7KUW<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Cornell via PSDR<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2021 12:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr@hamwan.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>OK, I figured out my problem and I now have Winbox talking to the radio and reporting status. I's not linking to anything since the antenna is still on the ground. How much configuration can I do before mounting it on my roof. The only question in my sight path may be some trees but I think I can aim just over them and get a signal. My friend Bruce/WA7BAM will be helping with the antenna installation on Wed afternoon. Making progress...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Phil Cornell </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>W7PLC </span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>SHARES NCS590</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Hybrid Gateway W7PLC</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>TCARES VP</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>PSDR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org" target="_blank">PSDR@hamwan.org</a><br><a href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr" target="_blank">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>PSDR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org" target="_blank">PSDR@hamwan.org</a><br><a href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr" target="_blank">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i>-Scott</i></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>PSDR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org" target="_blank">PSDR@hamwan.org</a><br><a href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr" target="_blank">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>