<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">That was a test on my home Internet, but they would be if you started a telnet session over HamWAN....</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:16 PM John D. Hays <<a href="mailto:john@hays.org">john@hays.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Are those over the airwaves?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 17:56 Scott Currie <<a href="mailto:scott.d.currie@gmail.com" target="_blank">scott.d.currie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">This is not entirely true. Winlink does use TLS/SSL connections for some things. The normal telnet connection is now SSL (will fallback to non-SSL if the connection fails). Also, RMS Gateway to the CMS is now SSL. Telnet P2P and telnet to RMS Relay is not SSL. I believe updates are also SSL now.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><img src="cid:ii_kmbavzkt0" alt="Winlink SSL.jpg" width="479" height="267"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Winlink Express Link Test:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Test started 2021/03/16 00:52 UTC<br><br>Testing CMS telnet connection to <a href="http://cms.winlink.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cms.winlink.org</a> through port 8772...<br> Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8772 in 253 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing CMS SSL telnet connection to <a href="http://cms.winlink.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">cms.winlink.org</a> through port 8773...<br> Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8773 in 311 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing API service access through port 443 to api.winlink.org...<br> Successfully performed API service to <a href="http://api.winlink.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">api.winlink.org</a> through port 443 in 756 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing Autoupdate server access through port 443 to autoupdate2.winlink.org...<br> Successfully checked autoupdate server through port 443 in 439 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing connection to web site - <a href="http://www.winlink.org:443" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.winlink.org:443</a><br> Successfully connected to <a href="http://www.winlink.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.winlink.org</a> through port 443 in 47 Milliseconds<br><br>Testing FTP connection to SFI site - <a href="ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt</a><br> Successfully connected to <a href="ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt</a> through port 20/21 in 1522 Milliseconds<br><br>Test completed successfully.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">-Scott, NS7C</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:45 PM Stephen Kangas <<a href="mailto:stephen@kangas.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">stephen@kangas.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Phil, an example of the ham band traffic that Kenny mentioned is not permitted by the FCC is encrypted communications traffic…this means the majority of websites your visit today and many email hosters, since websites commonly use TLS/SSL encryption (indicated by “https” in front of the URL in your browser address bar) or encrypted settings in your email hoster & client. Winlink does NOT use encryption, thus is legal, and is the primary application for my ARES team using HamWAN. As Kenny points out, certain routers (not inexpensive home models) can be used to split that traffic appropriately, but it is not an easy setup unless you have a background in data networks or cybersecurity…so it’s far easier to either use HamWAN just for your dedicated ARES laptop use or switch a cable back and forth using one pipe at a time.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">FWIW, Stephen W9SK<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kenny Richards<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2021 12:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> Puget Sound Data Ring <<a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">psdr@hamwan.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Just want to add two things to what Carl said already.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1) Line of sight means you can actually 'see' the HamWAN node, or at least you can with something like a pair of binoculars. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2) Remember that HamWAN is not meant to be a replacement for your home internet. Be very conscious of what traffic you are putting over HamWAN. I don't recommend connecting it to your home network unless you are familiar enough with routing rules to limit what traffic goes out the HamWAN link.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Good luck,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Kenny, KU7M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:40 PM <<a href="mailto:carl@n7kuw.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">carl@n7kuw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Phil,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">You can do all of the configuration while on the ground, but obviously you won’t have any signal. You don’t indicate what specific equipment you have, but if you have the mAnt30 dish and separate router/modem, make sure you have the antenna connected before powering it up.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">As to trees, they are an absolute show stopper. You must have clear, visual, line of sight to the HamWAN site you are shooting to. Hopefully you will have that, or can achieve that, from where you plan to mount the dish. As to “just over them”, a microwave shot consists of the direct, pure line of sight, but also what is referred to as the Fresnel zone – a cigar shaped “balloon” around the pure line of sight. Items in the Fresnel zone (including trees) can reduce the amount of signal you have, so you may not get optimum performance, but some.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">In your initial post you commented about how to balance between your regular internet and HamWAN for a Winlink node. My suggestion would be to just leave it on one (whichever one) as the norm, and only switch to the other if the one goes down. You can also acquire routers that include failover capability to automatically make that switch. You can go more advanced with load sharing and such between multiple connections, but that requires much better understanding of internet routing, and for a winlink node basic failover will serve your purpose.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Good luck, let us know how things turn out.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Carl, N7KUW<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none currentcolor;border-bottom:none currentcolor;border-left:none currentcolor;border-top:1pt solid currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Cornell via PSDR<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2021 12:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">psdr@hamwan.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">OK, I figured out my problem and I now have Winbox talking to the radio and reporting status. I's not linking to anything since the antenna is still on the ground. How much configuration can I do before mounting it on my roof. The only question in my sight path may be some trees but I think I can aim just over them and get a signal. My friend Bruce/WA7BAM will be helping with the antenna installation on Wed afternoon. Making progress...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Phil Cornell </span></i><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">W7PLC </span></i><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">SHARES NCS590</span></i><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Hybrid Gateway W7PLC</span></i><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">TCARES VP</span></i><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>PSDR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">PSDR@hamwan.org</a><br><a href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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