<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp64c44f80yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This discussion of encryption is all very interesting but I think we got off track here. I was asking for help with setting up a new link. Right now it looks like the Thurston County EOC is questionable due to some trees blocking the view of Capital Peak from the parking lot. We need to see this view from the tower or building roof and that won't be happening anytime soon. My Plan C, ("A" was at my house, "B" was at the EOC) is to install it at Crawford Peak, just outside of the town of Rainier, and connect it to a new Fusion capable UHF repeater(OARS 441.400 pl103.5) and link to Capital Peak from there. That will require a lot of permissions, politics, and persistence. It will require working with TCOMM-911(building/tower owner), DNR(site manager), and Thurston County Sheriff(lease holder), the IT/Radio tech for TCOMM is very interested so this may be easier than expected.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">More details to follow.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="ydp64c44f80signature"><div style="font-family:old times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="font-size:medium;"><font size="2" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span></span><i>Phil Cornell <br></i></font></div><div style="font-size:medium;"><i><font size="2" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> W7PLC <br></font></i></div><div style="font-size:medium;" dir="ltr"><i><font size="2" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">SHARES NCS590<br></font></i></div><div style="font-size:medium;" dir="ltr"><i><font size="2" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hybrid Gateway W7PLC<br></font></i></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" dir="ltr"><i><font size="2" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span>TCARES VP</span></font></i></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" dir="ltr"><i><font size="2" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span><br></span></font></i></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><i><font size="2" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span><br></span></font></i></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" dir="ltr"><span>
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On Friday, March 19, 2021, 12:00:10 PM PDT, psdr-request@hamwan.org <psdr-request@hamwan.org> wrote:
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<div><div dir="ltr">Send PSDR mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">psdr@hamwan.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:psdr-request@hamwan.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">psdr-request@hamwan.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:psdr-owner@hamwan.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">psdr-owner@hamwan.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir="ltr">than "Re: Contents of PSDR digest..."<br></div>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Encryption is (can be) Legal (Donald Rotolo)<br><div id="ydpbc5ed814ymsg75983" class="ydpbc5ed814ymsg0833273183"><div id="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608"><div><div class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608WordSection1"><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Hello,</span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">To amplify Kevin’s comment below: </span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">In a conversation several years ago with Riley Hollingsworth, then the FCC’s enforcement guy, he emphasized to me that “obscuring the meaning” was not allowed, but encryption for other purposes was perfectly acceptable. I even wrote about it (“Encryption is Legal”, August 2006) in CQ Magazine (google it, it’ll come up somewhere).</span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Granted, Riley is no longer with the FCC. But authentication != obscuring meaning, and lawyers focus on the meaning of the words as written. And, if it is not prohibited, it is allowed.</span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">So it all comes down to the purpose of the encryption, right? Purpose is obscuring meaning = Not allowed. Purpose is other, allowed.</span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">73, Don N2IRZ</span></p><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Kevin Walsh [mailto:w8khw1@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 16, 2021 6:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr@hamwan.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie</p></div></div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"></span></p><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal">Hello,</p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal">The word encryption never appears in Part 97 rules, so its definition is irrelevant here. The key words in the rule are “intent” and “obscure”. So for instance, two people speaking pig-Latin with the intent of obscuring their conversation violate the same rule and the conversation is prohibited - even though it’s not encrypted.</p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal">If I may, another option would be to get any of your associated Public Safety agencies to in part sponsor HamWan. Public Safety was granted access to the “special” Amateur Radio portion of 5.8GHz years ago and they CAN use (and in my state require) secure communication. Then you’re operating under Part 15 and the conversation is moot.</p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.fcc.gov/public-safety/public-safety-and-homeland-security/policy-and-licensing-division/public-safety-spectrum" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">https://www.fcc.gov/public-safety/public-safety-and-homeland-security/policy-and-licensing-division/public-safety-spectrum</a></p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal">Just food for thought, I’ll go back to lurking now :-).</p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal">73, </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal">Kevin</p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal">W8KHW </p></div><div><p class="ydpbc5ed814yiv9818556608MsoNormal"><br><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>PSDR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:PSDR@hamwan.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">PSDR@hamwan.org</a><br><a href="http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" fg_scanned="1">http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr</a><br></div>
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