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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>What “downtown” do you work, Seattle? There are two sites in Seattle, one on Capitol Hill and one on Beacon Hill. Chances are you could connect to either/both of those.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Haystack is at 47° 48’ 33.24” N, 121° 45’ 2.83” W<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Carl, N7KUW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> PSDR <psdr-bounces@hamwan.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jesse Victors via PSDR<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 28, 2021 6:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> psdr@hamwan.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Jon!<br><br>I'm in a very similar boat and I'm glad that you opened this thread. I live up in Mill Creek but I work downtown. I considered pointing to Gold Mountain from the downtown office, but I think I might have a far better chance pointing at Haystack Mountain from my place. I'm still a little challenged in identifying the exact direction and verifying line-of-sight, in part because I'm not 100% certain on the exact GPS coordinates of Haystack. Maybe someone else has them on hand.<br><br>Anyway, I'm currently comparing hardware, same as you. I'm going 21 miles or so, but I'm going to put it on a pole so weight and cost matter. I'm currently caught between the high-gain DynaDish and the LHG line. I've gotten thoughts from this mailing list and the Cascada Radio group on Slack, and I just haven't decided yet.<br><br>The Client Hardware list is a fantastic way to get started, but I'm not sure if its current, as some of the links no longer work, and its missing some MikroTik dishes, such as the full LHG line that can be seen on <a href="https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-systems">https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-systems</a><br><br>For example, the Client Hardware page links to this LHG dish: <a href="https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5nd-5ghz-lhg-24-5dbi-802-11an-2x2-row">https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5nd-5ghz-lhg-24-5dbi-802-11an-2x2-row</a> which has 24.5 dBi gain. However, <a href="https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5hpnd-xl-5ghz-lhg-27dbi-802-11an-2x2-row">https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rblhg-5hpnd-xl-5ghz-lhg-27dbi-802-11an-2x2-row</a> seems like a higher-gain version and in the description it says:<br><br>"We are adding two new models to our LHG product family, the LHG HP5 (high power) and LHG XL HP5 (extra large, high power).The LHG XL HP5 has a bigger 27dBi antenna with 630mW TX output power, designed to reach up to 40km in point-to-point setups at full speed."<br><br>Both the HP5 and the XL HP5 seem to have better wind handling due to their grid pattern, but I don't know if they support MIMO. I searched LHG XL HP5's product page on <a href="https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL">https://mikrotik.com/product/RBLHG-5HPnD-XL</a> without success, but I'm new to this so perhaps someone else can advise about this. Anyway, I think both should be added to the page to help with a full comparison.<br><br>As I said, right now I'm also considering the DynaDish listed here: <a href="https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rbdynadishg-5hacd-5ghz-dynadish-23dbi-802-11ac-outdoor-row">https://www.streakwave.com/mikrotik-rbdynadishg-5hacd-5ghz-dynadish-23dbi-802-11ac-outdoor-row</a> but I'll wait for the word in MIMO support in the LHG line before I decide. Since you're working over similar distances, it might be useful to do these comparisons too. I know KG7SXF has hit Haystack with a DynaDish 5 on a pole at similar distances, so that works at least!<br><br>Anyway, best of luck!<br><br>Jesse<br>KJ7YLS<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Jun 28, 2021, 3:28 PM, < <a href="mailto:n7jww@westseattlearc.org">n7jww@westseattlearc.org</a>> wrote:<span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Carl,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks for reaching out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I am 3 blocks west of California in West Seattle. That puts me about 90’ below the ridge so I have a difficult time hitting anything to the east. I have good luck with UHF to the tower at Myrtle but I do not have true line of sight. I do have an unobstructed view to the west so I was thinking Gold Mountain would be my best bet. Gold Mountain is about 19 miles due west of me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Jon aka N7JWW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:carl@n7kuw.com">carl@n7kuw.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 28, 2021 3:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Puget Sound Data Ring' <<a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org">psdr@hamwan.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I think mostly, but more important question for you is: Where are you, and what HamWAN site(s) do you want to try to connect to. Do you have true line of sight? Given that information, we (many/any of us) may be able to offer suggestions that might best serve your use case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Carl, N7KUW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:n7jww@westseattlearc.org">n7jww@westseattlearc.org</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 28, 2021 2:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org">psdr@hamwan.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [HamWAN PSDR] Confirming Client Hardware page is current<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I’m new at this, and I was perusing the Client Hardware page (<a href="https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html">https://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware.html</a>). I didn’t see any timestamps. Is the information posted there current?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thanks so much,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Jon aka N7JWW<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>